Did the "Punishment" fit the "Crime"?

[Sierra Nichole]

A 17-year-old male cheerleader says he was kicked off his school’s team for kissing a boy.

The student at Alice High School in southern Texas, who wishes to remain anonymous, says the kiss was caught on school surveillance cameras.

He told local station KPLC that school officials sacked him from the team because it was a gay kiss and he was also suspended from lessons for two days.

The boy said: “They never check cameras for anything unless something is stolen. We would be the ones getting caught because I’m sure we were the only ones, sexual orientation wise, being caught like that.

“In this school kissing is everywhere, if that were the case, suspending everyone for that, half the school would be suspended.”

Article Source:http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2011/10/18/cheerleader-boy-says-texas-sch...

 

WHAT DOES EVERYONE THINK ABOUT THIS...?

[Robert]

Not really enough info to form an opinion here. This would all depend on the PDA policy of the school and how they have historically handled rules violations (if there is such a rule) in the past. If the school does nothing about a male/female kiss they should also do nothing about a male/male or female/female kiss. If the school is singling them out for being gay (which we do not know from the info given) then the school is in the wrong. If the school followed a clearly defined PDA policy and have historically followed this policy, then the students are in the wrong.

[Steve Belttari]

    The purpose of compulsory public education is to indoctrinate children to be atheists, socialists and homosexuals, so from that perspective the punishment doesn't really fit the crime.  Let's say one day educational freedom/privatization is institutionalized in the United States, then punishment would be totally up to the school and no one would really care, because the student in question could always go to school somewhere else if he didn't like the decision.   

[Ginger Haan]

I totally agree with Robert and with the teenager being accused. If the hidden cameras are there for security reasons only, no charges should have been made for a kiss. Further, it sounds as though leaders and staff are aware that kissing takes place on campus (perhaps staff turn their heads); why should this be any different? Is it possible that this incident would not have happened if this school was not located in the 'Bible belt' of the U.S.? If the end result of this case is discrimination against the students, it's another way of saying we will tolerate some 'sins' but not others. Another result is that this 'punishment' further alienates the gay community (sometimes called the 'Unwanted Harvest Field') from the evangelical church. How can the church reach people who hate it?

[Lynne Jones]

Not punishment enough IMO!  That is not appropriate behavior for school or anywhere.  The "don't ask don't tell policy" is encouraging such behavior which is unnatural affection. We as believers in Christ must take a stand and set an example of how God expects us to act.

• Not enough info????????????? I think there is plenty of info.  Let's get real. . . It's wrong - no two ways about it.

[James]

It looks like  Robert nor ginger took the time to read the whole story on the provided link.If they would have both would know this was only done because of the 17 year olds sexual orientation. The story said, "cheerleaders who had become pregnant or had babies were allowed to remain on the team, despite a cheerleading code which says participants must adhere to a “higher standard of conduct” than other students."

 

 Pretty clear cut.This school screwed up and need to pay for doing so.

 

LOL, Steve you a hoot. And Churches are to indoctrinate children to hate anyone that is different, to not think.Thinking leads to Satan.

Lynne, their is nothing unnatural about homosexual sex acts in nature.After all it has been observed in more than 1500 species, and  has been well described for 500 of them.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBc...

 

The only wrong I see here come from  you believers in Christ spreading your hate. Come on people Love thy neighbor as thy self!!!

[Robert]

I read the story James. It did not publish the school's policy on PDA nor the history of how they have enforced it in the past. Only what some students and parents have said. When more facts come out, which I am sure they will, we can see if the school discriminated against them. I agree with you 100% that people (christians and non-christians alike) need to stop spreading hate against others. My wife and I teach our kids that it is perfectly ok and acceptable if someone is gay and that they should be treated just like everyone else. I believe they should also enjoy the same rights and privileges that we do such as being married and to serve in our armed forces.

[Sierra Nichole]

I am not pro-gay lifestyle. However, i think that this punishment was kind of ridiculous. Sexual Orientation should not be a reason for punishment in a school. Now if being gay was banned then I could see it but they allow gay marriages all over the place so I dont see why a gay kiss is SUCH a big deal. I mean, I think its wrong in the eyes of God, but how is it worse than getting pregnant at 16? How is it worse than doing drugs?

[Dwayne Leon Gobin II]

No matter if the sin is  lying, stealing, adultery, drunkenness, or any other sin, including homosexuality; sin is still sin. Not one sin is bigger than the other. The present ideas of this nation have been polluted with rebellion and deceit. This nation's moral laws are quickly drifting away from what the Bible says. I believe thatishment did fit the crime; but when we are in this world, our wisdom which comes from God is foolishness to the world.

[Steve Belttari]

     James,

     Ridicule is a tactic of radical socialists(Rules for Radicals-Sal Alinsky), I prefer reason.  There was once a time when people didn't question the a priori assumptions about free universal education(10th plank of the Communist Manifesto), but the evidence is overwhelming that children are being indoctrinated in compulsory schools.  The idea that one high school's punishment of a student could even be considered a controversy, is itself an indication of indoctrination.  For the teacher's union to maintain a monopoly on education requires this type of indoctrination.  I don't see their tyranny continuing too much longer.  Like the generation of Jews who died in the wilderness under Moses leadership, I think the older generation will continue in statist slavery, but it will be the internet generation that will be much more adaptable to freedom who will lead us into the libertarian-capitalist era of freedom and prosperity. 

James said:

It looks like  Robert nor ginger took the time to read the whole story on the provided link.If they would have both would know this was only done because of the 17 year olds sexual orientation. The story said, "cheerleaders who had become pregnant or had babies were allowed to remain on the team, despite a cheerleading code which says participants must adhere to a “higher standard of conduct” than other students."

 

 Pretty clear cut.This school screwed up and need to pay for doing so.

 

LOL, Steve you a hoot. And Churches are to indoctrinate children to hate anyone that is different, to not think.Thinking leads to Satan.

Lynne, their is nothing unnatural about homosexual sex acts in nature.After all it has been observed in more than 1500 species, and  has been well described for 500 of them.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBc...

 

The only wrong I see here come from  you believers in Christ spreading your hate. Come on people Love thy neighbor as thy self!!!

[James]

 That's very nice to hear.I wish more Christians treated people that are different then them the way you do.

Robert said:

I read the story James. It did not publish the school's policy on PDA nor the history of how they have enforced it in the past. Only what some students and parents have said. When more facts come out, which I am sure they will, we can see if the school discriminated against them. I agree with you 100% that people (christians and non-christians alike) need to stop spreading hate against others. My wife and I teach our kids that it is perfectly ok and acceptable if someone is gay and that they should be treated just like everyone else. I believe they should also enjoy the same rights and privileges that we do such as being married and to serve in our armed forces.

[James]

 More on this story. The school has denied that the student was suspended for merely puckering up, yet the administration has refused to give a reason for the disciplinary action. After reviewing the case at the request of the student's parents, the district released a statement Monday saying that the suspension and removal from the cheer squad would stand, even though Alice High School principal Lucy Munoz told KRIS, "The district does not suspend students for kissing other students at school, regardless of the gender of the student."

So what was the real reason that the student was booted from the squad? Judging from the district's statement, it seems we'll never find out:

"The student code of conduct and cheer handbook are designed to improve conduct and encourage students to adhere to their responsibilities as members of the school community. The student and parents are clearly aware that the student was not removed from the squad for kissing another student at school. While the student is free to discuss certain aspects of his discipline in the media, the District cannot discuss the specifics of this incident and must respect the privacy rights of the students involved in this matter."

As for the student, he told KZTV that he and his parents disagree with the punishment, but have decided against pursuing further action. While it appears he won't be cheering this year, the student has managed to collect his own team of cheerleaders who support his call for equality.



Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/10/19/student-says-he-was-suspended-k...

 

IMO, this kid and his parents are the only resonable people involved in this.

[James]

 Yap your a hoot alright, and it appears using your own definition a radical socialists too.  I love ya man you make coming here very entertaining.

 

Steve Belttari said:

     James,

     Ridicule is a tactic of radical socialists(Rules for Radicals-Sal Alinsky), I prefer reason.  There was once a time when people didn't question the a priori assumptions about free universal education(10th plank of the Communist Manifesto), but the evidence is overwhelming that children are being indoctrinated in compulsory schools.  The idea that one high school's punishment of a student could even be considered a controversy, is itself an indication of indoctrination.  For the teacher's union to maintain a monopoly on education requires this type of indoctrination.  I don't see their tyranny continuing too much longer.  Like the generation of Jews who died in the wilderness under Moses leadership, I think the older generation will continue in statist slavery, but it will be the internet generation that will be much more adaptable to freedom who will lead us into the libertarian-capitalist era of freedom and prosperity. 

James said:

It looks like  Robert nor ginger took the time to read the whole story on the provided link.If they would have both would know this was only done because of the 17 year olds sexual orientation. The story said, "cheerleaders who had become pregnant or had babies were allowed to remain on the team, despite a cheerleading code which says participants must adhere to a “higher standard of conduct” than other students."

 

 Pretty clear cut.This school screwed up and need to pay for doing so.

 

LOL, Steve you a hoot. And Churches are to indoctrinate children to hate anyone that is different, to not think.Thinking leads to Satan.

Lynne, their is nothing unnatural about homosexual sex acts in nature.After all it has been observed in more than 1500 species, and  has been well described for 500 of them.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBc...

 

The only wrong I see here come from  you believers in Christ spreading your hate. Come on people Love thy neighbor as thy self!!!