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What a bizarre thing to say.
That is confusing...how can atheism be considered a religon. leave it to the government to not check out websters dictionary before making a statement. LOL!
No way it can be defined as a religon..it is anti-religon/anti-god. It is impossible to be a religon.
Steve I can appreciate your gusto here...but an athiest CAN be evangelized. And athiest does not believe there is a god...of any type. Soooooo...a person who believes there is a god of some type... can change thier mind and they believe.
Why argue when it is totally possible. Put your energy inot just not believing there is a god. The people who believe there is a God....are given free-will. We actually believe that you are free to believe in not believing..LOL
Steve Belttari said:Harris,
I have more bizarre things to say. I'm not a regular church goer, because I don't know of any churches that even come close to resembling the early Church, though I do think that God(if He exists of course) uses them in a limited way. So there is this new church that opened up in the area where I live, I was under the impression that they were not incorporated into the state, so I started occasionally attending church services there. I thought the sermons were pretty good, even though the sermon format is not scriptural, it comes from the Greek demagogue-orator-rhetorical style. I thought the people that I began to meet had the fruit of the Spirit(love, joy, peace, etc...), but then I found out that they were just another church that was incorporated into the state, so I started to lose interest and stopped attending. Then one day I received a letter in the mail from the church, inviting me to attend church at their new location-a public high school. I was intrigued by this, and thought it over for a week before attending a service. Even though I don't agree with them on what I mentioned above, they do teach the basic doctrines of Christianity(death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, virgin birth-incarnation, etc...), so I think it is the Lord's will that they are there. I had a really blessed night at the Christmas eve service. A former student of the high school, who now produces films at the Detroit Institute of Arts, gave his testimony on how he became an atheist because of his experience there and all the vanity and misery he went through before receiving the Lord into his life. Amazing how the Lord uses things like this for His own purposes, as the scripture says: "All things work together for good for those that love God and are called according to His purpose".Harris Tweed said:What a bizarre thing to say.
This wasn't bizarre. It was ramblings about your views of various protestant sects in your town. I'm not sure why you think it's all that surprising that you disavow yourself from the well established churches in your area. I don't really care all that much (other than to say inter-Christian strife is a winning situation for me) and you're not even close to the first person I've ever encountered that has these same opinions.
You thought I had never encountered a Christian who didn't believe the earth was 6000 years old too. You view yourself as a kind of rebel don't you? Sorry to burst your bubble, but you aren't.
Steve Belttari said:I think the word rebel is fitting for subversive atheists. I said that you "probably" had not heard of what is commonly referred to as the "gap theory".
Subversive? Ha! What is this 1954 or something? I'm sure you believe anyone who does not believe just as you do is subversive to one extent or another.
Sure I've heard of the "gap theory." Lots of Christians think it's heresy. I simply think it is an evolution of a meme that attempts (poorly) to reconcile what we know about the world with iron age scriptures. That particular meme doesn't appear to have a great deal of fitness and won't find its way into the mainstream. Still, there are niche populations where this meme can thrive. This seems like it's a small part of the continued branching of the Christian faith.
You stated, "education should be completely privatized."
I completely agree with your assessment. I think the government's role in education should come to an end. The government is not able to reflect the values of our society like they did in the past because of the vast amount of diversity. In order to keep our kids from indoctrination by the state, we will have to go to privatization. I am currently a strong supporter of vouchers!!
When we talk about education and parental control I think we need to remember that not all parents are cut out to educate their children. I have seen the product of both kinds of parents. Children schooled by capable parents are amazing. Those schooled by parents who don't do the job well reflect the lack. This last makes private schools a great idea. ooops private school is expensive and we still need to pay taxes for public school. Some families are unable to do this. I wonder what would happen if Christians got involved in the open school board meetings, PTA etc. and put real pressure on the school to reflect their values and provide a more balance curiculum. What if those same parents made a real effort at home to show their student that the Bible is relavant? Maybe the could explain that the Old Testament is just history from another perspective.
I think the best anyone can do with evangelizing is present the Gospel and let the other decide what to do with info. It doesn't matter wether they are atheist or agnostice. Atheism a religion...that is humourous. Wonder what their symbol is.
As for Christian strife of course it happens. Every group has members with differing opions. For that matter, every church has faults. Harris of course you want to exploit this. Get us argueing and we forget about the God that we all believe in.
I think vouchers are a step in the right direction, but the long range goal must be complete privatization. That means a parent does not have to deal with the state at all concerning his child's education. Compulsory public education was always a bad idea. It doesn't matter that public schools reflect the cultures values, it is a matter of principle. Atheists control the public school system and they will continue to churn out atheists, so when the nation is predominantly atheists the schools will reflect the cultures values.
ZDENNY said:Lisa, you stated it very well! I agree with you completely.
The Bible predicts a coming world government which will clearly have to rely on state indoctrination. They have the same thing going on in Germany now which of course never learned its lesson after Hitler. The German model is going to spread and people like Obama will think that the only way to control the people is to control the kids. Secularists don't believe in freedom because they don't believe in the real existence of love itself. If you don't believe in love, freedom is an illusion which means you have to have kids indoctrinated and societies have to be controled by manipulation.
Secularist believe that love is merely a positive feelings created by a physical state in the body and nothing more. The idea of love is part of the imagination having no foundation in reality.
*rolls eyes* Could you cram any more insane conspiracy theories into a short post than you did? Bravo.