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Like most (if not all) of you on this forum, I have been watching this nation go spiraling downward at an accelerated pace; especially since B.Obama has been sitting in the Oval Office.
I have also found myself praying, confessing my failures and sins, and lifting up our nation before God, in a manner such as I have never been led to do before; Confessing that we, as a nation, have turned our backs on Him and His Word, and asking for His forgiveness and mercy upon us; even though we have failed Him. (I was lead to read and re-read how Daniel prayed for his people and how he confessed His sin, then the sins of his people against God.)
I'm a firm believer in 1 Thess.5:18 and I stand on it's truth.
This brings me to my question: Has anyone seen God at work in our nation in a way which can only be described as His working, or doing?
I have no doubt that He is in control and that He is working, but not being as strong as I would like to be in my faith, I too have to cry out and say "Help thou my unbelief !"
In short, I really need some words of encouragement along with some examples (for lack of a better way for me to think of to say it).
I feel I should also add that I have been wondering if we, as a nation, are being chastened?
For the Word of God tells us that "He whom He loves, He chastens."  (See Hebrews 12 and Revelation 3:19 for just a couple of examples.)

( To the moderator(s): I apologize if this is in the wrong category. If this is in the wrong category, please move it to the category where it should be shared under (in). Thanks. )

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I think it should be filed in the trash!
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency"

I read this quote earlier today. Did Americans trust Obama with the presidency? By my reckoning they didn't, Hillary Clinton won more popular votes in the Democratic primary than Obama, so she should be the president. I think the confusion on elections began with our original sin as a nation. Our present form of government under the Constitution has never had the consent of the governed, because it was never ratified by a popular vote. When "we the people" exercise our sovereignty and break the political bands with the godless nation under the Constitution, God will use this as a corrective measure to improve the government/nation.
"God allows evil so He may bring a greater good out of it" Fr John Corapi, S.O.L.T. Two weeks after 9/11, there were NO abortions in the USA. NONE.
Ernie,
Although I don't understand where you're coming from, I would have to say that by just taking your reply at face value, that we would have to agree to disagree my friend.

Ernie Catalano said:
I think it should be filed in the trash!
Sue,
Thank you for those words of encouragement!
I wasn't aware that there were no abortions during the first two weeks after 9/11.
It's sad that it took a tragedy to stop tragedy.
I guess this further proves just how far, we as a nation have strayed from God.
I'm reminded of how Jesus said that we are "the salt of the Earth"; meaning that we, as born again believers in Christ, are the ones who He is using to preserve this nation. Not that we are capable of doing it on our own, as that isn't even an option; but because of the fact that His Holy Spirit dwells within those of us who He calls His own (children).

SueW said:
"God allows evil so He may bring a greater good out of it" Fr John Corapi, S.O.L.T. Two weeks after 9/11, there were NO abortions in the USA. NONE.
Steve,

I have to admit, that I'm having a little trouble following your reply as it pertains to my question.
That being said, I think it's safe to say that you are not the only one to question (read doubt) our current form of government as compared to how our forefathers had intended it to be.
At least that's how I understood your comment anyway. I apologize if I misunderstood you.
Why is it that every time something goes wrong in this world we live in, people feel they must repent for their sins, confess their faults and ask God to forgive them as if they were the cause? Likewise was the case with Hurricane Katrina, I heard all of these so called prophets saying it was the judgment of God because of sin in New Orleans, the five Hurricanes that did some major damage to the State of Florida, again it was these religious people who claimed it was God’s judgment because they took Terry Schrivo off live support and let her die. Jesus said in John 10:10 The thief comes to steal, rob and to kill I have come to so that you might have life in abundance. When the Lord wanted to destroy Sodom & Gomorra, Abraham asked the Lord if he could find 10 righteous men, would he spare it and He was willing to do just that, don’t you think there were 10 Christians in New Orleans? It troubles me when people are saying this must be the hand of the Lord to teach us something, or “whom the Lord love he chastens” yes that’s true, as a father I love my children, but I would not allow any harm to come on them to teach them something. It’s as if the cross of Calvary wasn’t enough, yet Jesus said, “It is finished” He dealt with the sin of man and everything needful for him to walk in victory in this land. God is a good God He wants to see his children overcoming the works of darkness by not living the unbelief. Yes we are in this world but not of it.
Hmmm, durning 8 years of Bush,I'd say this country was spiraling downward over the full 8 years.

Under Bush,
The poor got poorer the rich got richer the middle class got beat up and loss some more of its members to the poor.

National Debt went up 5 trillion and unlike Obama when Bush took office there was a federal budget surplus and times were good for most.
I thought this was a forum to build up and edify the church, not for people to give their slanted political views, Mr. Obama’s promise was change, the only change we see is a bunch of crooks in his administration and we the people have no say and the only change in our pockets.
Ernie,

Thanks for the clarification.
You asked the question: " Why is it that every time something goes wrong in this world we live in, people feel they must repent for their sins, confess their faults and ask God to forgive them as if they were the cause?" I never meant to imply that "we" were the cause of everything that goes wrong in this world. I apologize if it came out that way. When it comes right down to the basics, sin is the cause of the evil in this world that we see and hear about daily. Satan's pride being the point of origin.
As for repenting, confessing our sin (faults), and asking God for forgiveness, His Word tells us to do just that. And I for one am going to go with what God says in His Word. Remember, 1st John was written to Christians.
We all still sin; and since we all still sin, we are to confess these sins.
The prophet Daniel prayed for the sins of his people; something which he was not even old enough to have a say in, yet he still prayed for them.

" Likewise was the case with Hurricane Katrina, I heard all of these so called prophets saying it was the judgment of God because of sin in New Orleans, the five Hurricanes that did some major damage to the State of Florida, again it was these religious people who claimed it was God’s judgment because they took Terry Schrivo off live support and let her die."

I see this statement as two completely separate issues.
Yes, there are those who will claim that each and every "natural" disaster is punishment or chastisement from God. And yes, Jesus did say that Satan came to "Kill, steal, and destroy", and that He (Jesus) had come to give us life, and that abundantly. The question I see here is this: Can you prove, beyond all doubt that what we call "natural disasters" are not a form of punishment from God in every case? I can't. The Old Testament has more than one recorded account of nations (peoples) being destroyed because they refused to turn to God.
Then there are the times when the nation itself wasn't completely destroyed. The plagues on Egypt are a good example of this. Even Samson suffered for His turning away from God. God's Word also tells us that He sends the rain on the "just and the unjust". So we (should) have no reason to believe that we are spared the bad things in this life simply because we belong to God. In fact, Christ Jesus taught us to expect just the opposite.
IMHO, the good things we experience here, are like small samples of God's eternal goodness to us, and the best is yet to come. Likewise, the evil that we come against, is but a small sample of what those who refuse to come to Christ, can expect to experience; both now, and for eternity, with the worst yet to come.
Those who are/were involved in the killing of Terri S., will have to give an account one day, for their (in)actions, to God Himself. I don't see how anyone who knows anything about the truths of the Scripture, could make such a statement that her death is the cause for the hurricanes that struck Florida.

" When the Lord wanted to destroy Sodom & Gomorra, Abraham asked the Lord if he could find 10 righteous men, would he spare it and He was willing to do just that, don’t you think there were 10 Christians in New Orleans?"
Do I think there were 10 Christians in New Orleans? It's not important as to what I think when it comes to such a question; However, I would find it difficult to believe that there were no Christians in New Orleans at that time; but I also don't know what the will of God is and was for those Christians who left this Earth at that time, other than to say that I believe that God was and still is in control of each of our lives, and that His word says that our days our numbered, so we need to always be ready to go to be with Him, since we have no idea of when our time here is over.

"as a father I love my children, but I would not allow any harm to come on them to teach them something." I agree. 100% ! And as a father I wouldn't do that either, but I would do whatever it would take to correct my children, especially if it meant keeping them from suffering something far worse.
I can remember being spanked when I did something wrong. Did it hurt? No doubt there. Did I consider it to be harmful? You better believe it. Not just physically, but to my self will as well. The physical "harm" passed quickly, but my self will (which I saw at the time as being "harmed"), changed.
Although I can't prove this, I personally believe that God uses just enough "correction" to get our attention to help us learn not only what He wanted to teach us, but to remind us that He isn't going to just let us get by.

" It’s as if the cross of Calvary wasn’t enough, yet Jesus said, “It is finished” He dealt with the sin of man and everything needful for him to walk in victory in this land. God is a good God He wants to see his children overcoming the works of darkness by not living the unbelief. Yes we are in this world but not of it.

Yes, the cross at Calvary was enough when it came to paying for the sin of the world; and yes, Jesus did say "It is finished". His redemptive work that He came to do, paying the price for the sin of the world, and reconciling man to Himself (God), was finished.
He still left the choice up to each and every one of us as to if we are going to accept or reject His atoning sacrifice, so that part is still up to us. And yes, He did give us the way to walk in victory, and taught us how to overcome darkness with the Light. He did this not only by His teaching(s), but by way of example as well.
So when you say "Yes, we are in this world, but not of it" (a quote from the Scriptures) You couldn't have spoken anything more true.
I think it's also wise to remember that He told us that we would be hated for His names sake. We would be despised, imprisoned, and some will even be killed for His names sake.
So how does this fit in with my original question of :
" Has anyone seen God at work in our nation in a way which can only be described as His working, or doing?" When one considers the fact that I ask the question, acknowledging that my faith needs help, I think it fits quite nicely. I admit, that I need to see something with my physical eyes. I need that reassurance.

I'd like to close with this, the points you have made are valid ones indeed. This is why we are to "Try the spirits and see if they be of God." Not everyone who claims to be a prophet, or publicly claims that what we are experiencing is a direct result of God's anger, is truly speaking on God's behalf.
We are warned that there will be many who will profess to be speaking on Gods behalf, who do not belong to Him. It's recorded in the book of (I believe it's) Ecclesiastes, that "there is nothing new under the Sun".
This truth applies to false prophets as well. They can be found recorded in the Old Testament, as well as the New Testament.

Thanks again for explaining your thoughts to me. I appreciate it!
I am sorry if what I am about to say may offend anyone, but it appears that this posting has become a political debate. Personally I don't approve of our governments decisions and actions. It doesn't matter who is in office or who has been in office.

Sadly, WE the people of this Nation have allowed the sins of this world to creep into our country and slowly eat at it and take over. By this I mean that we don't have many politicians in office that stand on Christian principals. They may believe, they may try, but when all is said and done all too often the rules, laws, and policies set are not supportive of Christians or Christian principals.
I don't blame them. I blame the Christians. In my opinion, too many Christians seem to have the belief that "God will take care of it." I haven't read any where in the bible after man was created where God says, just pray and I will do it. If you read about Moses, didn't God set Moses to do the work after telling him what to do? And Noah, did he just say get on the boat and you will take the animals and your family and be safe? Even when Christ was here on Earth, did he just take off on his own or did he have some men who went with him and helped him or even went out to do works for him?
Christians and American's have become lazy! We want God to take care of ALL things and we expect our Government to provide for all things. Yet we don't give God the glory and the credit for what he has done. And we elect, support (or stand by when) corrupt decisions are made and put into place.

If we wish to save our Country and give God a reason to continue supporting our country and us as Christians, we need to spend more time on our knees seeking his face. We need to walk daily more closely with Jesus. We need to listen and do the works that God calls all Christians to do and stop supporting the sinful rules and laws because it's the easy thing to do.

So in an answer to your question Howard; "Has anyone seen God at work in our nation in a way which can only be described as His working, or doing?" Even with the natural disasters (Hurricanes, wild fires, tornadoes, floods, etc.... ) and the amount of lives that have been lost during these events, God continues to provide his guiding hands, his love, his mercy, and his protection on us. He never leaves us nor forsakes us even when we may not focus on him. God loves us ALL, the saved and unsaved alike.
So God is working in our Country and our World.
Now can we help him?
I really had a lot to say to answer these questions...

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