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Hi Brothers and Sisters in Christ and Friends.

I have pondered on whether to try on this thought here. Please don't label me as a heretic. :-))

First some background. I love the Lord. I am anchored to Scripture. I strongly dislike the Godless model of natural man's worldview.

If natural man told me a black cat crossed the road and I was looking at the cat and it looked black, it would still be suspect. They did something to the cat! :-))

Going back in time to the Garden. I believe God built the first language in Adam a pro to Hebrew; character base, format, context. I believe every language in existence is a derivative of it in the same way the first genetic database was in Adam and we are all physically descendant of Adam. When we translate God took a rib from Adam, "curve bone" I think we lost translation/understanding of what God did. It has to do with the difference between the sexes both physically, mentally and spiritually. Mathew 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh.

I heard a sermon from http:/www.mountainwings.com on a curved bone male mammals have that man doesn't.

So a lot of what we take for granted may actually go a lot deeper. Pure Hebrew being all constants and on vowels with letters assigned a number, is deep, layered and rich.

Visualized Adam walking and talking with God-not God the Father, God the Son, The Word. No man has seen the Father at any time and all things were made by the Word.

Adam walking with God would have seen angels coming and going all the time; there was no separation, no barrier, no veil.

Now imagine this being showing up different from every angel they had seen and he is talking directly to them. God had granted this being his wish to be totally absorbed in self. His voice was deep and hypnotic, he shimmered a metallic shimmer as he faded in and out of time. He was sensual and mesmerizing.

Up to this point all that Adam knew was what God told him. Like when a person is hired on a company and someone takes him on a tour and gives him the lowdown, the inside scoop and this person views things that way until someone else says, "Be careful of listening to him." Now that person has questions.

When Adam chose to listen to Lucifer, Adam put a new head over the human race and Adam's inheritance went to Lucifer. Lucifer's curse went to Adam. A legal transaction. God honored that choice.

The being God was talking to was a fallen angel. We use metaphors such as "You will fall flat on your face."

This is what I think God told Satan. "Everything you try to do, the undoing will be by your hand. Everything you try to undo, the doing will be by your hand. That which I declare, you will fulfill. When you try to prevent it, it will be you that establishes it. Your works will bring Me Glory, not you."

I think Joseph was a fulfillment of that declaration. God gave Joseph two dreams and Joseph, young and dumb, is parading them in front of his father and brothers. Demons were listening. "Is this the Promised One?"

They're going to stop these dreams in their tracks by getting Joseph out of town. Joseph spends 11 years in Potifer's house and Potifer rises to prominence. Joseph has the Midas touch. All of Egypt has heard about this Hebrew slave. Demons think in terms of pomp and glitter, so they think Pharaoh is going to get wind of this and Joseph is going to be promoted to the palace.

So they give Potifer's wife the hots for Joseph. If he succumbs, he's done for, if he doesn't he's done for. Checkmate.

Joseph goes to prison for two years. In the meantime, sow/reap sets in motion in Potifer's house. Potifer's wife has slept with all the slaves but Joseph as the sun god Ra [demons] is a god of lust. Potifer's house falls to ruin. God has provided contrast, this is what you get with Me and this is what you get without me. I'll show you why I believe this in a moment.

Joseph's Midas touch continues in prison. Noticeably so. Everybody in the palace has heard of Joseph and what happened to Potifer.

Joseph tells the cup bearer and the baker what is about to happen. When the butler is restored Joseph tells him to remember him, "for I have done nothing to deserve this". He's hurting and he doesn't understand why God would allow this to happen to him."

Two years later, Potifer in ruin, Pharaoh's prison blessed, Pharaoh has a dream. Joseph's gift for dream interpretation gets him an audience, but it is his resume' that gets him the job.

It's the only thing that makes sense. Pharaoh may be impressed with Joseph, but he's scared to death of his God.

Our Lord would have no problem at all giving a snake legs and the ability to make speech and the foolishness of God is greater than the wisdom of man.

But I wondered, "What is the Lord teaching me here?"

Just a thought...:-))

Don't beat me up, just pray for me.:-))

What do ya think?

Mark


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Hi. :-))

We had an ice storm tonight and I had to go in until 3:30am and now I am wide awake so maybe I can be the first response. I have to go back in at 8:00am.

I would say, "Be very careful. Scripture is of no private interpretation. Out of the mouth of two witnesses, so look to see if God has led any of His appointed/anointed ministers in that direction. I would say be careful about adding to or taking away from Scripture, if nothing else you could end up spending some quality time in His woodshed.

When God addresses something physically, it usually has spiritual significance. Interestingly, even though I know nothing about snake anatomy, I heard a python has a hip socket.

I am going to try to get a couple of hours sleep, but I thought maybe I could start this off.

Thanks for having patience with me. :-))

Mark

     I don't know enough about languages to say what language the first humans spoke, but they did speak one language until the Tower of Babel.  Instead of using their unity of language to glorify God, sinful man centralized in cities and built a skyscraper.  It seems to me that man was meant to communicate with animals, if this wasn't the case, surely Eve would have been terrified if a snake was to talk to her out of the blue.  Apparently snakes were designed by God to move about vertically, but when God cursed the serpent, he now slithers around on his belly.  After the fall, the woman was also cursed with pain in childbearing and having her husband as her personal dictator.  God also said to the first unrepentant sinner Adam, "cursed is the ground for YOUR sake", kind of interesting how men always think that God gets something out of their work, when the curse/affliction of work is designed to keep sinners busy.  Maybe we get this from Martin Luther who made a big ado about glorifying God in a secular occupation.  If he really believed this he would have stopped being a professional holy man and became a manual laborer instead, but he didn't, because translating Bibles and writing religious tracts is much more intellectually stimulating then moving dirt around.  As for the story of Joseph, I think the lesson that we can learn from it is that God will always use evil for good, as it says in Romans 8 vs 28, "all things work together for good for those  who love God and are called according to his purpose."  

Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi. :-))

We had an ice storm tonight and I had to go in until 3:30am and now I am wide awake so maybe I can be the first response. I have to go back in at 8:00am.

I would say, "Be very careful. Scripture is of no private interpretation. Out of the mouth of two witnesses, so look to see if God has led any of His appointed/anointed ministers in that direction. I would say be careful about adding to or taking away from Scripture, if nothing else you could end up spending some quality time in His woodshed.

When God addresses something physically, it usually has spiritual significance. Interestingly, even though I know nothing about snake anatomy, I heard a python has a hip socket.

I am going to try to get a couple of hours sleep, but I thought maybe I could start this off.

Thanks for having patience with me. :-))

Mark

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the reply. Sure is interesting isn't it? Do you think it is a sin or an offense to God to be intentionally cremated? If I knew it wasn't an offense to the Lord, I would leave that in my will so most of what little I have could be put to good use.

Thanks Steve,

Mark

Steve Belttari said:

     I don't know enough about languages to say what language the first humans spoke, but they did speak one language until the Tower of Babel.  Instead of using their unity of language to glorify God, sinful man centralized in cities and built a skyscraper.  It seems to me that man was meant to communicate with animals, if this wasn't the case, surely Eve would have been terrified if a snake was to talk to her out of the blue.  Apparently snakes were designed by God to move about vertically, but when God cursed the serpent, he now slithers around on his belly.  After the fall, the woman was also cursed with pain in childbearing and having her husband as her personal dictator.  God also said to the first unrepentant sinner Adam, "cursed is the ground for YOUR sake", kind of interesting how men always think that God gets something out of their work, when the curse/affliction of work is designed to keep sinners busy.  Maybe we get this from Martin Luther who made a big ado about glorifying God in a secular occupation.  If he really believed this he would have stopped being a professional holy man and became a manual laborer instead, but he didn't, because translating Bibles and writing religious tracts is much more intellectually stimulating then moving dirt around.  As for the story of Joseph, I think the lesson that we can learn from it is that God will always use evil for good, as it says in Romans 8 vs 28, "all things work together for good for those  who love God and are called according to his purpose."  

Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi. :-))

We had an ice storm tonight and I had to go in until 3:30am and now I am wide awake so maybe I can be the first response. I have to go back in at 8:00am.

I would say, "Be very careful. Scripture is of no private interpretation. Out of the mouth of two witnesses, so look to see if God has led any of His appointed/anointed ministers in that direction. I would say be careful about adding to or taking away from Scripture, if nothing else you could end up spending some quality time in His woodshed.

When God addresses something physically, it usually has spiritual significance. Interestingly, even though I know nothing about snake anatomy, I heard a python has a hip socket.

I am going to try to get a couple of hours sleep, but I thought maybe I could start this off.

Thanks for having patience with me. :-))

Mark

     Mark,

     When we communicate about matters like this it is important to be as accurate and complete as possible.  After my last transmission I could imagine some people taking some things out of context.  I can imagine someone thinking that I was encougaging laziness.  I think that we should carry our own burden and at times carry other people's burdens.  1 Cor 1 vs 31 says:  "That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord."  This is taken from a scripture text in  Jeremiah chapter 9 that says:  "Let not the wise man boast in his wisdom, let not the rich man boast in his riches, let not the strong man boast in his strength, but let him who boast, boast in the Lord who exercises lovingkindness and justice in the earth."  The wise man is the professional academic , the rich man is the businessman who is consumed with making money and the strong man is the macho tough guy construction worker type, sinful man will always  descend towards these classes.  I do manual labor, business and intellectual stuff.  

     I never did mention the Devil in the fall, unlike God, he is not omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient.  He has some type of physical body that is in one place(Heaven) where he is the accuser of the brethren.  During the tribulation he will be cast down to the earth(Rev 12 vs 9-10).  He has an authority structure that is under his rule; fallen angels, demons(disembodied spirits) and the world(kosmos-social order).  Maybe it was a demon that entered the serpent and spoke through it, this I can't say for sure, but Satan was behind the deception of Eve and the fall of man.

     As far as cremation goes, certainly God has the power to resurrect someones ashes.  In fact, the unbeliever who is cremated cannot escape the ressurection at the Great White Throne Judgment.  It seems that the Bible gives a lot of a cases of proper burials, but getting buried is pretty expensive these days, so I can't say for sure.  I think we are pretty close to the rapture and maybe God would not want us thinking about burying or cremating our body when we are not going to die.  No man can say the exact day and hour when the rapture is going to occur, but there are things that are taught in the Bible that would indicate how close we are to that glorious day.  I Don't want to go into all that right now, maybe another discussion topic.                    

Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the reply. Sure is interesting isn't it? Do you think it is a sin or an offense to God to be intentionally cremated? If I knew it wasn't an offense to the Lord, I would leave that in my will so most of what little I have could be put to good use.

Thanks Steve,

Mark

Steve Belttari said:

     I don't know enough about languages to say what language the first humans spoke, but they did speak one language until the Tower of Babel.  Instead of using their unity of language to glorify God, sinful man centralized in cities and built a skyscraper.  It seems to me that man was meant to communicate with animals, if this wasn't the case, surely Eve would have been terrified if a snake was to talk to her out of the blue.  Apparently snakes were designed by God to move about vertically, but when God cursed the serpent, he now slithers around on his belly.  After the fall, the woman was also cursed with pain in childbearing and having her husband as her personal dictator.  God also said to the first unrepentant sinner Adam, "cursed is the ground for YOUR sake", kind of interesting how men always think that God gets something out of their work, when the curse/affliction of work is designed to keep sinners busy.  Maybe we get this from Martin Luther who made a big ado about glorifying God in a secular occupation.  If he really believed this he would have stopped being a professional holy man and became a manual laborer instead, but he didn't, because translating Bibles and writing religious tracts is much more intellectually stimulating then moving dirt around.  As for the story of Joseph, I think the lesson that we can learn from it is that God will always use evil for good, as it says in Romans 8 vs 28, "all things work together for good for those  who love God and are called according to his purpose."  

Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi. :-))

We had an ice storm tonight and I had to go in until 3:30am and now I am wide awake so maybe I can be the first response. I have to go back in at 8:00am.

I would say, "Be very careful. Scripture is of no private interpretation. Out of the mouth of two witnesses, so look to see if God has led any of His appointed/anointed ministers in that direction. I would say be careful about adding to or taking away from Scripture, if nothing else you could end up spending some quality time in His woodshed.

When God addresses something physically, it usually has spiritual significance. Interestingly, even though I know nothing about snake anatomy, I heard a python has a hip socket.

I am going to try to get a couple of hours sleep, but I thought maybe I could start this off.

Thanks for having patience with me. :-))

Mark

Hi Steve,

I didn't take it like you were encouraging laziness. I understood what you were saying. But thanks for the writeback.

I agree, reading the 'signs of the times' we are very close. I just have to redo my will. I don't have a death wish. :-)) Should the Lord take me before we all go together, I would rather see the money go to missions such as International Fellowship of Christians and Jews or World Vision. But I am going to go for a very cheap funeral instead of creamation, it was just a thought.

It's the same with seeking the Lord on the balancing act of preparing for retirement, if I should have to and send as much as possible on ahead. I have no desire for bigger barns.

Since I started reading Juanita's Kingdom Cryer, Kingdom thoughts have been coming at me from different sources. Kingdoms unlike democratic republics, take on the nature of the King. The outer kingdom has definitely taken on the nature of its king, the god of this world and the inner Kingdom is progressively taking on the nature of the King of Kings. The thought process, how we relate, how we reference things, etc. Even 20 years ago, there appeared to be some resemblance of middle ground, 'having a form of godliness': that middle ground is fast disappearing with the two kingdoms headed in opposite directions at breakneck speeds. We are living what the prophets wrote about.

Thanks for the writeback, Steve.

Mark

Steve Belttari said:

     Mark,

     When we communicate about matters like this it is important to be as accurate and complete as possible.  After my last transmission I could imagine some people taking some things out of context.  I can imagine someone thinking that I was encougaging laziness.  I think that we should carry our own burden and at times carry other people's burdens.  1 Cor 1 vs 31 says:  "That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord."  This is taken from a scripture text in  Jeremiah chapter 9 that says:  "Let not the wise man boast in his wisdom, let not the rich man boast in his riches, let not the strong man boast in his strength, but let him who boast, boast in the Lord who exercises lovingkindness and justice in the earth."  The wise man is the professional academic , the rich man is the businessman who is consumed with making money and the strong man is the macho tough guy construction worker type, sinful man will always  descend towards these classes.  I do manual labor, business and intellectual stuff.  

     I never did mention the Devil in the fall, unlike God, he is not omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient.  He has some type of physical body that is in one place(Heaven) where he is the accuser of the brethren.  During the tribulation he will be cast down to the earth(Rev 12 vs 9-10).  He has an authority structure that is under his rule; fallen angels, demons(disembodied spirits) and the world(kosmos-social order).  Maybe it was a demon that entered the serpent and spoke through it, this I can't say for sure, but Satan was behind the deception of Eve and the fall of man.

     As far as cremation goes, certainly God has the power to resurrect someones ashes.  In fact, the unbeliever who is cremated cannot escape the ressurection at the Great White Throne Judgment.  It seems that the Bible gives a lot of a cases of proper burials, but getting buried is pretty expensive these days, so I can't say for sure.  I think we are pretty close to the rapture and maybe God would not want us thinking about burying or cremating our body when we are not going to die.  No man can say the exact day and hour when the rapture is going to occur, but there are things that are taught in the Bible that would indicate how close we are to that glorious day.  I Don't want to go into all that right now, maybe another discussion topic.                    

Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the reply. Sure is interesting isn't it? Do you think it is a sin or an offense to God to be intentionally cremated? If I knew it wasn't an offense to the Lord, I would leave that in my will so most of what little I have could be put to good use.

Thanks Steve,

Mark

Steve Belttari said:

     I don't know enough about languages to say what language the first humans spoke, but they did speak one language until the Tower of Babel.  Instead of using their unity of language to glorify God, sinful man centralized in cities and built a skyscraper.  It seems to me that man was meant to communicate with animals, if this wasn't the case, surely Eve would have been terrified if a snake was to talk to her out of the blue.  Apparently snakes were designed by God to move about vertically, but when God cursed the serpent, he now slithers around on his belly.  After the fall, the woman was also cursed with pain in childbearing and having her husband as her personal dictator.  God also said to the first unrepentant sinner Adam, "cursed is the ground for YOUR sake", kind of interesting how men always think that God gets something out of their work, when the curse/affliction of work is designed to keep sinners busy.  Maybe we get this from Martin Luther who made a big ado about glorifying God in a secular occupation.  If he really believed this he would have stopped being a professional holy man and became a manual laborer instead, but he didn't, because translating Bibles and writing religious tracts is much more intellectually stimulating then moving dirt around.  As for the story of Joseph, I think the lesson that we can learn from it is that God will always use evil for good, as it says in Romans 8 vs 28, "all things work together for good for those  who love God and are called according to his purpose."  

Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi. :-))

We had an ice storm tonight and I had to go in until 3:30am and now I am wide awake so maybe I can be the first response. I have to go back in at 8:00am.

I would say, "Be very careful. Scripture is of no private interpretation. Out of the mouth of two witnesses, so look to see if God has led any of His appointed/anointed ministers in that direction. I would say be careful about adding to or taking away from Scripture, if nothing else you could end up spending some quality time in His woodshed.

When God addresses something physically, it usually has spiritual significance. Interestingly, even though I know nothing about snake anatomy, I heard a python has a hip socket.

I am going to try to get a couple of hours sleep, but I thought maybe I could start this off.

Thanks for having patience with me. :-))

Mark


      There will be scoffers in the last days who will follow their own evil desires who will say, where is this coming that was promised long ago, don't things continue to go on like they always have?  Jesus said His coming will come like a thief in the night.  As we get closer to that day, those that are serving God will be looking for it like the Thessalonians, Paul said that this hope that they had was God's will, but some of them had to make some practical adjustments in the way they were living.  It also says in 1 John 3 vs 3 that every man that has this hope in Him purifies himself as He is pure.

     The Ekklesia is a nation or kingdom within the democratic-republic nation.  I think we have to look at what this might mean in a 21st century setting.  Jesus said he would rather you be hot or cold then lukewarm, God will make a distinction between those who serve God and those that don't.  Those that have a "form of godliness but deny it's power" will not be purified by the righteous living that a correct understanding of the rapture of the Church brings.

     I believe that there is a blessing for supporting Israel, but I think our support should be centered on the Messianic community there. Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi Steve,

I didn't take it like you were encouraging laziness. I understood what you were saying. But thanks for the writeback.

I agree, reading the 'signs of the times' we are very close. I just have to redo my will. I don't have a death wish. :-)) Should the Lord take me before we all go together, I would rather see the money go to missions such as International Fellowship of Christians and Jews or World Vision. But I am going to go for a very cheap funeral instead of creamation, it was just a thought.

It's the same with seeking the Lord on the balancing act of preparing for retirement, if I should have to and send as much as possible on ahead. I have no desire for bigger barns.

Since I started reading Juanita's Kingdom Cryer, Kingdom thoughts have been coming at me from different sources. Kingdoms unlike democratic republics, take on the nature of the King. The outer kingdom has definitely taken on the nature of its king, the god of this world and the inner Kingdom is progressively taking on the nature of the King of Kings. The thought process, how we relate, how we reference things, etc. Even 20 years ago, there appeared to be some resemblance of middle ground, 'having a form of godliness': that middle ground is fast disappearing with the two kingdoms headed in opposite directions at breakneck speeds. We are living what the prophets wrote about.

Thanks for the writeback, Steve.

Mark

Steve Belttari said:

     Mark,

     When we communicate about matters like this it is important to be as accurate and complete as possible.  After my last transmission I could imagine some people taking some things out of context.  I can imagine someone thinking that I was encougaging laziness.  I think that we should carry our own burden and at times carry other people's burdens.  1 Cor 1 vs 31 says:  "That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord."  This is taken from a scripture text in  Jeremiah chapter 9 that says:  "Let not the wise man boast in his wisdom, let not the rich man boast in his riches, let not the strong man boast in his strength, but let him who boast, boast in the Lord who exercises lovingkindness and justice in the earth."  The wise man is the professional academic , the rich man is the businessman who is consumed with making money and the strong man is the macho tough guy construction worker type, sinful man will always  descend towards these classes.  I do manual labor, business and intellectual stuff.  

     I never did mention the Devil in the fall, unlike God, he is not omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient.  He has some type of physical body that is in one place(Heaven) where he is the accuser of the brethren.  During the tribulation he will be cast down to the earth(Rev 12 vs 9-10).  He has an authority structure that is under his rule; fallen angels, demons(disembodied spirits) and the world(kosmos-social order).  Maybe it was a demon that entered the serpent and spoke through it, this I can't say for sure, but Satan was behind the deception of Eve and the fall of man.

     As far as cremation goes, certainly God has the power to resurrect someones ashes.  In fact, the unbeliever who is cremated cannot escape the ressurection at the Great White Throne Judgment.  It seems that the Bible gives a lot of a cases of proper burials, but getting buried is pretty expensive these days, so I can't say for sure.  I think we are pretty close to the rapture and maybe God would not want us thinking about burying or cremating our body when we are not going to die.  No man can say the exact day and hour when the rapture is going to occur, but there are things that are taught in the Bible that would indicate how close we are to that glorious day.  I Don't want to go into all that right now, maybe another discussion topic.                    

Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the reply. Sure is interesting isn't it? Do you think it is a sin or an offense to God to be intentionally cremated? If I knew it wasn't an offense to the Lord, I would leave that in my will so most of what little I have could be put to good use.

Thanks Steve,

Mark

Steve Belttari said:

     I don't know enough about languages to say what language the first humans spoke, but they did speak one language until the Tower of Babel.  Instead of using their unity of language to glorify God, sinful man centralized in cities and built a skyscraper.  It seems to me that man was meant to communicate with animals, if this wasn't the case, surely Eve would have been terrified if a snake was to talk to her out of the blue.  Apparently snakes were designed by God to move about vertically, but when God cursed the serpent, he now slithers around on his belly.  After the fall, the woman was also cursed with pain in childbearing and having her husband as her personal dictator.  God also said to the first unrepentant sinner Adam, "cursed is the ground for YOUR sake", kind of interesting how men always think that God gets something out of their work, when the curse/affliction of work is designed to keep sinners busy.  Maybe we get this from Martin Luther who made a big ado about glorifying God in a secular occupation.  If he really believed this he would have stopped being a professional holy man and became a manual laborer instead, but he didn't, because translating Bibles and writing religious tracts is much more intellectually stimulating then moving dirt around.  As for the story of Joseph, I think the lesson that we can learn from it is that God will always use evil for good, as it says in Romans 8 vs 28, "all things work together for good for those  who love God and are called according to his purpose."  

Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi. :-))

We had an ice storm tonight and I had to go in until 3:30am and now I am wide awake so maybe I can be the first response. I have to go back in at 8:00am.

I would say, "Be very careful. Scripture is of no private interpretation. Out of the mouth of two witnesses, so look to see if God has led any of His appointed/anointed ministers in that direction. I would say be careful about adding to or taking away from Scripture, if nothing else you could end up spending some quality time in His woodshed.

When God addresses something physically, it usually has spiritual significance. Interestingly, even though I know nothing about snake anatomy, I heard a python has a hip socket.

I am going to try to get a couple of hours sleep, but I thought maybe I could start this off.

Thanks for having patience with me. :-))

Mark

Hi Steve,

We can see more and more the open hostility toward Christianity, huh? I think it is because it is the demonic realm's job to lead us away from Christ, it doesn't matter how.

When others were talking about morals outside of Christ, I almost jumped in, but didn't because so many months have passed by, but to say that, one has to remain willingly ignorant by choice.

A baby learns the word mine almost as soon as he/she learns the word mama. No one has to teach a child selfishness and jealosy, along with backbiting, ridicule, sarcasm and the like. Without fear of consequences taught in the home, the child grows up with little or no self discipline.

Just a glimpse at TV shows and we see self promoted in a verity of themes, "Look at what they did to me" or "Look at what I did to them", non stop gloat or lament. Living life in a very narrow vertical window, "It's all about me and I am better than them." That is our inherit nature at birth, inherited from the fall and the fallen nature of demons.

When we receive the New Birth, the Lord begins to change that nature from inside out. So there is a marked difference between the natural man without Christ and the new man seeking Christ. It is very pronounced as this age winds to a close.

For me, Steve, I feel drawn to the "Children that are in the land" and the children that have not yet come home, but the Lord leads us each different, so He provides plenty of different options for us all, huh?

Thanks Steve,

Mark

Steve Belttari said:


      There will be scoffers in the last days who will follow their own evil desires who will say, where is this coming that was promised long ago, don't things continue to go on like they always have?  Jesus said His coming will come like a thief in the night.  As we get closer to that day, those that are serving God will be looking for it like the Thessalonians, Paul said that this hope that they had was God's will, but some of them had to make some practical adjustments in the way they were living.  It also says in 1 John 3 vs 3 that every man that has this hope in Him purifies himself as He is pure.

     The Ekklesia is a nation or kingdom within the democratic-republic nation.  I think we have to look at what this might mean in a 21st century setting.  Jesus said he would rather you be hot or cold then lukewarm, God will make a distinction between those who serve God and those that don't.  Those that have a "form of godliness but deny it's power" will not be purified by the righteous living that a correct understanding of the rapture of the Church brings.

     I believe that there is a blessing for supporting Israel, but I think our support should be centered on the Messianic community there. Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi Steve,

I didn't take it like you were encouraging laziness. I understood what you were saying. But thanks for the writeback.

I agree, reading the 'signs of the times' we are very close. I just have to redo my will. I don't have a death wish. :-)) Should the Lord take me before we all go together, I would rather see the money go to missions such as International Fellowship of Christians and Jews or World Vision. But I am going to go for a very cheap funeral instead of creamation, it was just a thought.

It's the same with seeking the Lord on the balancing act of preparing for retirement, if I should have to and send as much as possible on ahead. I have no desire for bigger barns.

Since I started reading Juanita's Kingdom Cryer, Kingdom thoughts have been coming at me from different sources. Kingdoms unlike democratic republics, take on the nature of the King. The outer kingdom has definitely taken on the nature of its king, the god of this world and the inner Kingdom is progressively taking on the nature of the King of Kings. The thought process, how we relate, how we reference things, etc. Even 20 years ago, there appeared to be some resemblance of middle ground, 'having a form of godliness': that middle ground is fast disappearing with the two kingdoms headed in opposite directions at breakneck speeds. We are living what the prophets wrote about.

Thanks for the writeback, Steve.

Mark

Steve Belttari said:

     Mark,

     When we communicate about matters like this it is important to be as accurate and complete as possible.  After my last transmission I could imagine some people taking some things out of context.  I can imagine someone thinking that I was encougaging laziness.  I think that we should carry our own burden and at times carry other people's burdens.  1 Cor 1 vs 31 says:  "That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord."  This is taken from a scripture text in  Jeremiah chapter 9 that says:  "Let not the wise man boast in his wisdom, let not the rich man boast in his riches, let not the strong man boast in his strength, but let him who boast, boast in the Lord who exercises lovingkindness and justice in the earth."  The wise man is the professional academic , the rich man is the businessman who is consumed with making money and the strong man is the macho tough guy construction worker type, sinful man will always  descend towards these classes.  I do manual labor, business and intellectual stuff.  

     I never did mention the Devil in the fall, unlike God, he is not omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient.  He has some type of physical body that is in one place(Heaven) where he is the accuser of the brethren.  During the tribulation he will be cast down to the earth(Rev 12 vs 9-10).  He has an authority structure that is under his rule; fallen angels, demons(disembodied spirits) and the world(kosmos-social order).  Maybe it was a demon that entered the serpent and spoke through it, this I can't say for sure, but Satan was behind the deception of Eve and the fall of man.

     As far as cremation goes, certainly God has the power to resurrect someones ashes.  In fact, the unbeliever who is cremated cannot escape the ressurection at the Great White Throne Judgment.  It seems that the Bible gives a lot of a cases of proper burials, but getting buried is pretty expensive these days, so I can't say for sure.  I think we are pretty close to the rapture and maybe God would not want us thinking about burying or cremating our body when we are not going to die.  No man can say the exact day and hour when the rapture is going to occur, but there are things that are taught in the Bible that would indicate how close we are to that glorious day.  I Don't want to go into all that right now, maybe another discussion topic.                    

Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the reply. Sure is interesting isn't it? Do you think it is a sin or an offense to God to be intentionally cremated? If I knew it wasn't an offense to the Lord, I would leave that in my will so most of what little I have could be put to good use.

Thanks Steve,

Mark

Steve Belttari said:

     I don't know enough about languages to say what language the first humans spoke, but they did speak one language until the Tower of Babel.  Instead of using their unity of language to glorify God, sinful man centralized in cities and built a skyscraper.  It seems to me that man was meant to communicate with animals, if this wasn't the case, surely Eve would have been terrified if a snake was to talk to her out of the blue.  Apparently snakes were designed by God to move about vertically, but when God cursed the serpent, he now slithers around on his belly.  After the fall, the woman was also cursed with pain in childbearing and having her husband as her personal dictator.  God also said to the first unrepentant sinner Adam, "cursed is the ground for YOUR sake", kind of interesting how men always think that God gets something out of their work, when the curse/affliction of work is designed to keep sinners busy.  Maybe we get this from Martin Luther who made a big ado about glorifying God in a secular occupation.  If he really believed this he would have stopped being a professional holy man and became a manual laborer instead, but he didn't, because translating Bibles and writing religious tracts is much more intellectually stimulating then moving dirt around.  As for the story of Joseph, I think the lesson that we can learn from it is that God will always use evil for good, as it says in Romans 8 vs 28, "all things work together for good for those  who love God and are called according to his purpose."  

Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi. :-))

We had an ice storm tonight and I had to go in until 3:30am and now I am wide awake so maybe I can be the first response. I have to go back in at 8:00am.

I would say, "Be very careful. Scripture is of no private interpretation. Out of the mouth of two witnesses, so look to see if God has led any of His appointed/anointed ministers in that direction. I would say be careful about adding to or taking away from Scripture, if nothing else you could end up spending some quality time in His woodshed.

When God addresses something physically, it usually has spiritual significance. Interestingly, even though I know nothing about snake anatomy, I heard a python has a hip socket.

I am going to try to get a couple of hours sleep, but I thought maybe I could start this off.

Thanks for having patience with me. :-))

Mark

    
        The world's system can never teach morals to a child.  Television is a very corrupting influence, but no one is forced to watch tv, at least not directly.  I think the world system's control of people's time and values determine a value for tv.   We are a new creation in Christ, but we do need to be transformed by the renewing of our minds.  1 Cor 1 vs 30 says that in Christ who of God is made unto us wisdom, righteousness, sanctification and redemption.  Wisdom does not happen instantly.   Our home is not in this world, we are ambassadors of a much better place.  Paul said in Phil 1 vs 21 "for me to live is Christ, and to die is gain".  I also don't have a death wish, but I am aware of the suffering that Christian's throughout the world are going through, we should remember them as it says in Heb 13 vs 3.  Maybe in a 21st century setting, remembering them might lead us to taking actions that we are not accustomed to.  During the Cold War I used to give donations to Jesus to the Communist World Inc.  Now we are in the War on Terrorism, interesting that we are at war with a tactic.  I don't look at the Christians in southern Sudan as being at war with terrorism, but trying to secede from the Muslim north.  We should support them in their efforts to secede.  I think a secessionist/sovereignty movement in the United States would facilitate secessionist movements worldwide.  I envision the Ekklesia/Christian Commonwealth establishing internationally recognized safe havens for persecuted Christians throughout the world.         
Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi Steve,

We can see more and more the open hostility toward Christianity, huh? I think it is because it is the demonic realm's job to lead us away from Christ, it doesn't matter how.

When others were talking about morals outside of Christ, I almost jumped in, but didn't because so many months have passed by, but to say that, one has to remain willingly ignorant by choice.

A baby learns the word mine almost as soon as he/she learns the word mama. No one has to teach a child selfishness and jealosy, along with backbiting, ridicule, sarcasm and the like. Without fear of consequences taught in the home, the child grows up with little or no self discipline.

Just a glimpse at TV shows and we see self promoted in a verity of themes, "Look at what they did to me" or "Look at what I did to them", non stop gloat or lament. Living life in a very narrow vertical window, "It's all about me and I am better than them." That is our inherit nature at birth, inherited from the fall and the fallen nature of demons.

When we receive the New Birth, the Lord begins to change that nature from inside out. So there is a marked difference between the natural man without Christ and the new man seeking Christ. It is very pronounced as this age winds to a close.

For me, Steve, I feel drawn to the "Children that are in the land" and the children that have not yet come home, but the Lord leads us each different, so He provides plenty of different options for us all, huh?

Thanks Steve,

Mark

Steve Belttari said:


      There will be scoffers in the last days who will follow their own evil desires who will say, where is this coming that was promised long ago, don't things continue to go on like they always have?  Jesus said His coming will come like a thief in the night.  As we get closer to that day, those that are serving God will be looking for it like the Thessalonians, Paul said that this hope that they had was God's will, but some of them had to make some practical adjustments in the way they were living.  It also says in 1 John 3 vs 3 that every man that has this hope in Him purifies himself as He is pure.

     The Ekklesia is a nation or kingdom within the democratic-republic nation.  I think we have to look at what this might mean in a 21st century setting.  Jesus said he would rather you be hot or cold then lukewarm, God will make a distinction between those who serve God and those that don't.  Those that have a "form of godliness but deny it's power" will not be purified by the righteous living that a correct understanding of the rapture of the Church brings.

     I believe that there is a blessing for supporting Israel, but I think our support should be centered on the Messianic community there. Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi Steve,

I didn't take it like you were encouraging laziness. I understood what you were saying. But thanks for the writeback.

I agree, reading the 'signs of the times' we are very close. I just have to redo my will. I don't have a death wish. :-)) Should the Lord take me before we all go together, I would rather see the money go to missions such as International Fellowship of Christians and Jews or World Vision. But I am going to go for a very cheap funeral instead of creamation, it was just a thought.

It's the same with seeking the Lord on the balancing act of preparing for retirement, if I should have to and send as much as possible on ahead. I have no desire for bigger barns.

Since I started reading Juanita's Kingdom Cryer, Kingdom thoughts have been coming at me from different sources. Kingdoms unlike democratic republics, take on the nature of the King. The outer kingdom has definitely taken on the nature of its king, the god of this world and the inner Kingdom is progressively taking on the nature of the King of Kings. The thought process, how we relate, how we reference things, etc. Even 20 years ago, there appeared to be some resemblance of middle ground, 'having a form of godliness': that middle ground is fast disappearing with the two kingdoms headed in opposite directions at breakneck speeds. We are living what the prophets wrote about.

Thanks for the writeback, Steve.

Mark

Steve Belttari said:

     Mark,

     When we communicate about matters like this it is important to be as accurate and complete as possible.  After my last transmission I could imagine some people taking some things out of context.  I can imagine someone thinking that I was encougaging laziness.  I think that we should carry our own burden and at times carry other people's burdens.  1 Cor 1 vs 31 says:  "That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord."  This is taken from a scripture text in  Jeremiah chapter 9 that says:  "Let not the wise man boast in his wisdom, let not the rich man boast in his riches, let not the strong man boast in his strength, but let him who boast, boast in the Lord who exercises lovingkindness and justice in the earth."  The wise man is the professional academic , the rich man is the businessman who is consumed with making money and the strong man is the macho tough guy construction worker type, sinful man will always  descend towards these classes.  I do manual labor, business and intellectual stuff.  

     I never did mention the Devil in the fall, unlike God, he is not omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient.  He has some type of physical body that is in one place(Heaven) where he is the accuser of the brethren.  During the tribulation he will be cast down to the earth(Rev 12 vs 9-10).  He has an authority structure that is under his rule; fallen angels, demons(disembodied spirits) and the world(kosmos-social order).  Maybe it was a demon that entered the serpent and spoke through it, this I can't say for sure, but Satan was behind the deception of Eve and the fall of man.

     As far as cremation goes, certainly God has the power to resurrect someones ashes.  In fact, the unbeliever who is cremated cannot escape the ressurection at the Great White Throne Judgment.  It seems that the Bible gives a lot of a cases of proper burials, but getting buried is pretty expensive these days, so I can't say for sure.  I think we are pretty close to the rapture and maybe God would not want us thinking about burying or cremating our body when we are not going to die.  No man can say the exact day and hour when the rapture is going to occur, but there are things that are taught in the Bible that would indicate how close we are to that glorious day.  I Don't want to go into all that right now, maybe another discussion topic.                    

Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the reply. Sure is interesting isn't it? Do you think it is a sin or an offense to God to be intentionally cremated? If I knew it wasn't an offense to the Lord, I would leave that in my will so most of what little I have could be put to good use.

Thanks Steve,

Mark

Steve Belttari said:

     I don't know enough about languages to say what language the first humans spoke, but they did speak one language until the Tower of Babel.  Instead of using their unity of language to glorify God, sinful man centralized in cities and built a skyscraper.  It seems to me that man was meant to communicate with animals, if this wasn't the case, surely Eve would have been terrified if a snake was to talk to her out of the blue.  Apparently snakes were designed by God to move about vertically, but when God cursed the serpent, he now slithers around on his belly.  After the fall, the woman was also cursed with pain in childbearing and having her husband as her personal dictator.  God also said to the first unrepentant sinner Adam, "cursed is the ground for YOUR sake", kind of interesting how men always think that God gets something out of their work, when the curse/affliction of work is designed to keep sinners busy.  Maybe we get this from Martin Luther who made a big ado about glorifying God in a secular occupation.  If he really believed this he would have stopped being a professional holy man and became a manual laborer instead, but he didn't, because translating Bibles and writing religious tracts is much more intellectually stimulating then moving dirt around.  As for the story of Joseph, I think the lesson that we can learn from it is that God will always use evil for good, as it says in Romans 8 vs 28, "all things work together for good for those  who love God and are called according to his purpose."  

Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi. :-))

We had an ice storm tonight and I had to go in until 3:30am and now I am wide awake so maybe I can be the first response. I have to go back in at 8:00am.

I would say, "Be very careful. Scripture is of no private interpretation. Out of the mouth of two witnesses, so look to see if God has led any of His appointed/anointed ministers in that direction. I would say be careful about adding to or taking away from Scripture, if nothing else you could end up spending some quality time in His woodshed.

When God addresses something physically, it usually has spiritual significance. Interestingly, even though I know nothing about snake anatomy, I heard a python has a hip socket.

I am going to try to get a couple of hours sleep, but I thought maybe I could start this off.

Thanks for having patience with me. :-))

Mark

Hi Steve.

I have been watching some You Tube videos Sheri linked on her page in 2009 on the dramatic rise of Islam and what that means for Israel and the world as this Age winds to a close. Watching what's going in Egypt, Yemen and Jordan, I am starting to go back to the Gospels and reread "When shall these things be?" It's like it was divided into 3 segments, The Kingdom Gospel until 70 AD, Times of the Gentiles> The Gospel given to Paul and the restart of the clock. It seems we are very close. It is very sobering.

Then I have to go find something that says, "Rejoice!" "Let not your hearts be troubled." I love to learn, but the last thing I want to be is a depressed Christian. We have everything to look forward to and nothing to be depressed about. It's like if what I have was contagious would it be worth catching? So it's a balancing act, being aware but not overwhelmed. It's finding a way to plant lots of seeds and pray over them, singing as we go.

I agree with you Steve, the natural man is in cahoots with the god of the world. It's like which man will win, the natural man or the spirit/God man? The man that I feed. So kids that are fed a diet of Godless theology will reflect that in the way they view things and the way they relate to each other. I read a quote on twitter, "The most dangerous road to Hell is the secular/casual one, soft underfoot with no signposts."

Thanks Steve, its good to share back and forth even though we both know Christ and know that He's coming soon, maybe someone will wonder in and this will plant a seed.

Thanks Steve,

Mark



Steve Belttari said:

    
        The world's system can never teach morals to a child.  Television is a very corrupting influence, but no one is forced to watch tv, at least not directly.  I think the world system's control of people's time and values determine a value for tv.   We are a new creation in Christ, but we do need to be transformed by the renewing of our minds.  1 Cor 1 vs 30 says that in Christ who of God is made unto us wisdom, righteousness, sanctification and redemption.  Wisdom does not happen instantly.   Our home is not in this world, we are ambassadors of a much better place.  Paul said in Phil 1 vs 21 "for me to live is Christ, and to die is gain".  I also don't have a death wish, but I am aware of the suffering that Christian's throughout the world are going through, we should remember them as it says in Heb 13 vs 3.  Maybe in a 21st century setting, remembering them might lead us to taking actions that we are not accustomed to.  During the Cold War I used to give donations to Jesus to the Communist World Inc.  Now we are in the War on Terrorism, interesting that we are at war with a tactic.  I don't look at the Christians in southern Sudan as being at war with terrorism, but trying to secede from the Muslim north.  We should support them in their efforts to secede.  I think a secessionist/sovereignty movement in the United States would facilitate secessionist movements worldwide.  I envision the Ekklesia/Christian Commonwealth establishing internationally recognized safe havens for persecuted Christians throughout the world.         
Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi Steve,

We can see more and more the open hostility toward Christianity, huh? I think it is because it is the demonic realm's job to lead us away from Christ, it doesn't matter how.

When others were talking about morals outside of Christ, I almost jumped in, but didn't because so many months have passed by, but to say that, one has to remain willingly ignorant by choice.

A baby learns the word mine almost as soon as he/she learns the word mama. No one has to teach a child selfishness and jealosy, along with backbiting, ridicule, sarcasm and the like. Without fear of consequences taught in the home, the child grows up with little or no self discipline.

Just a glimpse at TV shows and we see self promoted in a verity of themes, "Look at what they did to me" or "Look at what I did to them", non stop gloat or lament. Living life in a very narrow vertical window, "It's all about me and I am better than them." That is our inherit nature at birth, inherited from the fall and the fallen nature of demons.

When we receive the New Birth, the Lord begins to change that nature from inside out. So there is a marked difference between the natural man without Christ and the new man seeking Christ. It is very pronounced as this age winds to a close.

For me, Steve, I feel drawn to the "Children that are in the land" and the children that have not yet come home, but the Lord leads us each different, so He provides plenty of different options for us all, huh?

Thanks Steve,

Mark

Steve Belttari said:


      There will be scoffers in the last days who will follow their own evil desires who will say, where is this coming that was promised long ago, don't things continue to go on like they always have?  Jesus said His coming will come like a thief in the night.  As we get closer to that day, those that are serving God will be looking for it like the Thessalonians, Paul said that this hope that they had was God's will, but some of them had to make some practical adjustments in the way they were living.  It also says in 1 John 3 vs 3 that every man that has this hope in Him purifies himself as He is pure.

     The Ekklesia is a nation or kingdom within the democratic-republic nation.  I think we have to look at what this might mean in a 21st century setting.  Jesus said he would rather you be hot or cold then lukewarm, God will make a distinction between those who serve God and those that don't.  Those that have a "form of godliness but deny it's power" will not be purified by the righteous living that a correct understanding of the rapture of the Church brings.

     I believe that there is a blessing for supporting Israel, but I think our support should be centered on the Messianic community there. Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi Steve,

I didn't take it like you were encouraging laziness. I understood what you were saying. But thanks for the writeback.

I agree, reading the 'signs of the times' we are very close. I just have to redo my will. I don't have a death wish. :-)) Should the Lord take me before we all go together, I would rather see the money go to missions such as International Fellowship of Christians and Jews or World Vision. But I am going to go for a very cheap funeral instead of creamation, it was just a thought.

It's the same with seeking the Lord on the balancing act of preparing for retirement, if I should have to and send as much as possible on ahead. I have no desire for bigger barns.

Since I started reading Juanita's Kingdom Cryer, Kingdom thoughts have been coming at me from different sources. Kingdoms unlike democratic republics, take on the nature of the King. The outer kingdom has definitely taken on the nature of its king, the god of this world and the inner Kingdom is progressively taking on the nature of the King of Kings. The thought process, how we relate, how we reference things, etc. Even 20 years ago, there appeared to be some resemblance of middle ground, 'having a form of godliness': that middle ground is fast disappearing with the two kingdoms headed in opposite directions at breakneck speeds. We are living what the prophets wrote about.

Thanks for the writeback, Steve.

Mark

Steve Belttari said:

     Mark,

     When we communicate about matters like this it is important to be as accurate and complete as possible.  After my last transmission I could imagine some people taking some things out of context.  I can imagine someone thinking that I was encougaging laziness.  I think that we should carry our own burden and at times carry other people's burdens.  1 Cor 1 vs 31 says:  "That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord."  This is taken from a scripture text in  Jeremiah chapter 9 that says:  "Let not the wise man boast in his wisdom, let not the rich man boast in his riches, let not the strong man boast in his strength, but let him who boast, boast in the Lord who exercises lovingkindness and justice in the earth."  The wise man is the professional academic , the rich man is the businessman who is consumed with making money and the strong man is the macho tough guy construction worker type, sinful man will always  descend towards these classes.  I do manual labor, business and intellectual stuff.  

     I never did mention the Devil in the fall, unlike God, he is not omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient.  He has some type of physical body that is in one place(Heaven) where he is the accuser of the brethren.  During the tribulation he will be cast down to the earth(Rev 12 vs 9-10).  He has an authority structure that is under his rule; fallen angels, demons(disembodied spirits) and the world(kosmos-social order).  Maybe it was a demon that entered the serpent and spoke through it, this I can't say for sure, but Satan was behind the deception of Eve and the fall of man.

     As far as cremation goes, certainly God has the power to resurrect someones ashes.  In fact, the unbeliever who is cremated cannot escape the ressurection at the Great White Throne Judgment.  It seems that the Bible gives a lot of a cases of proper burials, but getting buried is pretty expensive these days, so I can't say for sure.  I think we are pretty close to the rapture and maybe God would not want us thinking about burying or cremating our body when we are not going to die.  No man can say the exact day and hour when the rapture is going to occur, but there are things that are taught in the Bible that would indicate how close we are to that glorious day.  I Don't want to go into all that right now, maybe another discussion topic.                    

Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the reply. Sure is interesting isn't it? Do you think it is a sin or an offense to God to be intentionally cremated? If I knew it wasn't an offense to the Lord, I would leave that in my will so most of what little I have could be put to good use.

Thanks Steve,

Mark

Steve Belttari said:

     I don't know enough about languages to say what language the first humans spoke, but they did speak one language until the Tower of Babel.  Instead of using their unity of language to glorify God, sinful man centralized in cities and built a skyscraper.  It seems to me that man was meant to communicate with animals, if this wasn't the case, surely Eve would have been terrified if a snake was to talk to her out of the blue.  Apparently snakes were designed by God to move about vertically, but when God cursed the serpent, he now slithers around on his belly.  After the fall, the woman was also cursed with pain in childbearing and having her husband as her personal dictator.  God also said to the first unrepentant sinner Adam, "cursed is the ground for YOUR sake", kind of interesting how men always think that God gets something out of their work, when the curse/affliction of work is designed to keep sinners busy.  Maybe we get this from Martin Luther who made a big ado about glorifying God in a secular occupation.  If he really believed this he would have stopped being a professional holy man and became a manual laborer instead, but he didn't, because translating Bibles and writing religious tracts is much more intellectually stimulating then moving dirt around.  As for the story of Joseph, I think the lesson that we can learn from it is that God will always use evil for good, as it says in Romans 8 vs 28, "all things work together for good for those  who love God and are called according to his purpose."  

Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi. :-))

We had an ice storm tonight and I had to go in until 3:30am and now I am wide awake so maybe I can be the first response. I have to go back in at 8:00am.

I would say, "Be very careful. Scripture is of no private interpretation. Out of the mouth of two witnesses, so look to see if God has led any of His appointed/anointed ministers in that direction. I would say be careful about adding to or taking away from Scripture, if nothing else you could end up spending some quality time in His woodshed.

When God addresses something physically, it usually has spiritual significance. Interestingly, even though I know nothing about snake anatomy, I heard a python has a hip socket.

I am going to try to get a couple of hours sleep, but I thought maybe I could start this off.

Thanks for having patience with me. :-))

Mark

     Mark,

     Jesus said that in this world you will have tribulation, but fear not, I have overcome the world.  In God's time table it has only been 2 days since Jesus Christ died and was ressurrected.  He is now in Heaven where he makes intersession for us.  I think a common feeling that Christians have is that they are not in control of their lives.  You buy gas and you support terrorists, you transact business with federal reserve notes, you violate the Constitution and support international banksters.  Being seperate from this system is a lot easier said than done, but we can, but we have to change and get control of our lives.  It is the presence of the Church that keeps the Islamic anti-christ from being revealed or to come into power.   The early Church was the illegal persecuted Church that eventually became a state Church in AD 312.  The state Church of European Christendom was not totally corrupt, there was some good aspects to it.  There are some things about Christianity that are always going to be the same, but I don't think it is wise to put God in a box in how He uses the public institution of His Ekklesia(Church).        

Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi Steve.

I have been watching some You Tube videos Sheri linked on her page in 2009 on the dramatic rise of Islam and what that means for Israel and the world as this Age winds to a close. Watching what's going in Egypt, Yemen and Jordan, I am starting to go back to the Gospels and reread "When shall these things be?" It's like it was divided into 3 segments, The Kingdom Gospel until 70 AD, Times of the Gentiles> The Gospel given to Paul and the restart of the clock. It seems we are very close. It is very sobering.

Then I have to go find something that says, "Rejoice!" "Let not your hearts be troubled." I love to learn, but the last thing I want to be is a depressed Christian. We have everything to look forward to and nothing to be depressed about. It's like if what I have was contagious would it be worth catching? So it's a balancing act, being aware but not overwhelmed. It's finding a way to plant lots of seeds and pray over them, singing as we go.

I agree with you Steve, the natural man is in cahoots with the god of the world. It's like which man will win, the natural man or the spirit/God man? The man that I feed. So kids that are fed a diet of Godless theology will reflect that in the way they view things and the way they relate to each other. I read a quote on twitter, "The most dangerous road to Hell is the secular/casual one, soft underfoot with no signposts."

Thanks Steve, its good to share back and forth even though we both know Christ and know that He's coming soon, maybe someone will wonder in and this will plant a seed.

Thanks Steve,

Mark



Steve Belttari said:

    
        The world's system can never teach morals to a child.  Television is a very corrupting influence, but no one is forced to watch tv, at least not directly.  I think the world system's control of people's time and values determine a value for tv.   We are a new creation in Christ, but we do need to be transformed by the renewing of our minds.  1 Cor 1 vs 30 says that in Christ who of God is made unto us wisdom, righteousness, sanctification and redemption.  Wisdom does not happen instantly.   Our home is not in this world, we are ambassadors of a much better place.  Paul said in Phil 1 vs 21 "for me to live is Christ, and to die is gain".  I also don't have a death wish, but I am aware of the suffering that Christian's throughout the world are going through, we should remember them as it says in Heb 13 vs 3.  Maybe in a 21st century setting, remembering them might lead us to taking actions that we are not accustomed to.  During the Cold War I used to give donations to Jesus to the Communist World Inc.  Now we are in the War on Terrorism, interesting that we are at war with a tactic.  I don't look at the Christians in southern Sudan as being at war with terrorism, but trying to secede from the Muslim north.  We should support them in their efforts to secede.  I think a secessionist/sovereignty movement in the United States would facilitate secessionist movements worldwide.  I envision the Ekklesia/Christian Commonwealth establishing internationally recognized safe havens for persecuted Christians throughout the world.         
Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi Steve,

We can see more and more the open hostility toward Christianity, huh? I think it is because it is the demonic realm's job to lead us away from Christ, it doesn't matter how.

When others were talking about morals outside of Christ, I almost jumped in, but didn't because so many months have passed by, but to say that, one has to remain willingly ignorant by choice.

A baby learns the word mine almost as soon as he/she learns the word mama. No one has to teach a child selfishness and jealosy, along with backbiting, ridicule, sarcasm and the like. Without fear of consequences taught in the home, the child grows up with little or no self discipline.

Just a glimpse at TV shows and we see self promoted in a verity of themes, "Look at what they did to me" or "Look at what I did to them", non stop gloat or lament. Living life in a very narrow vertical window, "It's all about me and I am better than them." That is our inherit nature at birth, inherited from the fall and the fallen nature of demons.

When we receive the New Birth, the Lord begins to change that nature from inside out. So there is a marked difference between the natural man without Christ and the new man seeking Christ. It is very pronounced as this age winds to a close.

For me, Steve, I feel drawn to the "Children that are in the land" and the children that have not yet come home, but the Lord leads us each different, so He provides plenty of different options for us all, huh?

Thanks Steve,

Mark

Steve Belttari said:


      There will be scoffers in the last days who will follow their own evil desires who will say, where is this coming that was promised long ago, don't things continue to go on like they always have?  Jesus said His coming will come like a thief in the night.  As we get closer to that day, those that are serving God will be looking for it like the Thessalonians, Paul said that this hope that they had was God's will, but some of them had to make some practical adjustments in the way they were living.  It also says in 1 John 3 vs 3 that every man that has this hope in Him purifies himself as He is pure.

     The Ekklesia is a nation or kingdom within the democratic-republic nation.  I think we have to look at what this might mean in a 21st century setting.  Jesus said he would rather you be hot or cold then lukewarm, God will make a distinction between those who serve God and those that don't.  Those that have a "form of godliness but deny it's power" will not be purified by the righteous living that a correct understanding of the rapture of the Church brings.

     I believe that there is a blessing for supporting Israel, but I think our support should be centered on the Messianic community there. Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi Steve,

I didn't take it like you were encouraging laziness. I understood what you were saying. But thanks for the writeback.

I agree, reading the 'signs of the times' we are very close. I just have to redo my will. I don't have a death wish. :-)) Should the Lord take me before we all go together, I would rather see the money go to missions such as International Fellowship of Christians and Jews or World Vision. But I am going to go for a very cheap funeral instead of creamation, it was just a thought.

It's the same with seeking the Lord on the balancing act of preparing for retirement, if I should have to and send as much as possible on ahead. I have no desire for bigger barns.

Since I started reading Juanita's Kingdom Cryer, Kingdom thoughts have been coming at me from different sources. Kingdoms unlike democratic republics, take on the nature of the King. The outer kingdom has definitely taken on the nature of its king, the god of this world and the inner Kingdom is progressively taking on the nature of the King of Kings. The thought process, how we relate, how we reference things, etc. Even 20 years ago, there appeared to be some resemblance of middle ground, 'having a form of godliness': that middle ground is fast disappearing with the two kingdoms headed in opposite directions at breakneck speeds. We are living what the prophets wrote about.

Thanks for the writeback, Steve.

Mark

Steve Belttari said:

     Mark,

     When we communicate about matters like this it is important to be as accurate and complete as possible.  After my last transmission I could imagine some people taking some things out of context.  I can imagine someone thinking that I was encougaging laziness.  I think that we should carry our own burden and at times carry other people's burdens.  1 Cor 1 vs 31 says:  "That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord."  This is taken from a scripture text in  Jeremiah chapter 9 that says:  "Let not the wise man boast in his wisdom, let not the rich man boast in his riches, let not the strong man boast in his strength, but let him who boast, boast in the Lord who exercises lovingkindness and justice in the earth."  The wise man is the professional academic , the rich man is the businessman who is consumed with making money and the strong man is the macho tough guy construction worker type, sinful man will always  descend towards these classes.  I do manual labor, business and intellectual stuff.  

     I never did mention the Devil in the fall, unlike God, he is not omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient.  He has some type of physical body that is in one place(Heaven) where he is the accuser of the brethren.  During the tribulation he will be cast down to the earth(Rev 12 vs 9-10).  He has an authority structure that is under his rule; fallen angels, demons(disembodied spirits) and the world(kosmos-social order).  Maybe it was a demon that entered the serpent and spoke through it, this I can't say for sure, but Satan was behind the deception of Eve and the fall of man.

     As far as cremation goes, certainly God has the power to resurrect someones ashes.  In fact, the unbeliever who is cremated cannot escape the ressurection at the Great White Throne Judgment.  It seems that the Bible gives a lot of a cases of proper burials, but getting buried is pretty expensive these days, so I can't say for sure.  I think we are pretty close to the rapture and maybe God would not want us thinking about burying or cremating our body when we are not going to die.  No man can say the exact day and hour when the rapture is going to occur, but there are things that are taught in the Bible that would indicate how close we are to that glorious day.  I Don't want to go into all that right now, maybe another discussion topic.                    

Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the reply. Sure is interesting isn't it? Do you think it is a sin or an offense to God to be intentionally cremated? If I knew it wasn't an offense to the Lord, I would leave that in my will so most of what little I have could be put to good use.

Thanks Steve,

Mark

Steve Belttari said:

     I don't know enough about languages to say what language the first humans spoke, but they did speak one language until the Tower of Babel.  Instead of using their unity of language to glorify God, sinful man centralized in cities and built a skyscraper.  It seems to me that man was meant to communicate with animals, if this wasn't the case, surely Eve would have been terrified if a snake was to talk to her out of the blue.  Apparently snakes were designed by God to move about vertically, but when God cursed the serpent, he now slithers around on his belly.  After the fall, the woman was also cursed with pain in childbearing and having her husband as her personal dictator.  God also said to the first unrepentant sinner Adam, "cursed is the ground for YOUR sake", kind of interesting how men always think that God gets something out of their work, when the curse/affliction of work is designed to keep sinners busy.  Maybe we get this from Martin Luther who made a big ado about glorifying God in a secular occupation.  If he really believed this he would have stopped being a professional holy man and became a manual laborer instead, but he didn't, because translating Bibles and writing religious tracts is much more intellectually stimulating then moving dirt around.  As for the story of Joseph, I think the lesson that we can learn from it is that God will always use evil for good, as it says in Romans 8 vs 28, "all things work together for good for those  who love God and are called according to his purpose."  

Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi. :-))

We had an ice storm tonight and I had to go in until 3:30am and now I am wide awake so maybe I can be the first response. I have to go back in at 8:00am.

I would say, "Be very careful. Scripture is of no private interpretation. Out of the mouth of two witnesses, so look to see if God has led any of His appointed/anointed ministers in that direction. I would say be careful about adding to or taking away from Scripture, if nothing else you could end up spending some quality time in His woodshed.

When God addresses something physically, it usually has spiritual significance. Interestingly, even though I know nothing about snake anatomy, I heard a python has a hip socket.

I am going to try to get a couple of hours sleep, but I thought maybe I could start this off.

Thanks for having patience with me. :-))

Mark

Hi Steve,

I agree. Our Lord is in charge and will work all things according to His Will. I think that's why it's good for Christians to remind and encourage each other as we each work to be trusted stewards in that place of our assignments.

I woke up early and was watching a Christian perspective of the Galapagos Islands and heard the story of the Admiral that took Darwin. He became a Christian 5 years after the voyage and wrote his own journal of what they were witnessing.

In the opening of the Book of Job, we are privy to a conversation that took place that Job and his friends are never privy to during the exchange. They are each put on the witness stand. It is one of the most awesome unveilings of The True Narrative and the Majesty of the Most High ever written. The only problem is they are using it as a club to whack each other instead of saying "Come and see."

Years ago, I used to watch The Twilight Zone. One episode, there was this couple exchanging barb for barb for barb the whole show and at the end, the camera backed up to a wide angle overview and there were bleachers on all sides of the room and there were figures sitting in the dark witnessing the exchange of barbs. "Here we see through a glass darkly..." "For we walk by faith, not by sight..."

I believe God is using and will use Kingdom Insight mightily and I am so grateful to be allowed to have a small part in it.

Thanks Steve,

Mark 

Steve Belttari said:

     Mark,

     Jesus said that in this world you will have tribulation, but fear not, I have overcome the world.  In God's time table it has only been 2 days since Jesus Christ died and was ressurrected.  He is now in Heaven where he makes intersession for us.  I think a common feeling that Christians have is that they are not in control of their lives.  You buy gas and you support terrorists, you transact business with federal reserve notes, you violate the Constitution and support international banksters.  Being seperate from this system is a lot easier said than done, but we can, but we have to change and get control of our lives.  It is the presence of the Church that keeps the Islamic anti-christ from being revealed or to come into power.   The early Church was the illegal persecuted Church that eventually became a state Church in AD 312.  The state Church of European Christendom was not totally corrupt, there was some good aspects to it.  There are some things about Christianity that are always going to be the same, but I don't think it is wise to put God in a box in how He uses the public institution of His Ekklesia(Church).        

Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi Steve.

I have been watching some You Tube videos Sheri linked on her page in 2009 on the dramatic rise of Islam and what that means for Israel and the world as this Age winds to a close. Watching what's going in Egypt, Yemen and Jordan, I am starting to go back to the Gospels and reread "When shall these things be?" It's like it was divided into 3 segments, The Kingdom Gospel until 70 AD, Times of the Gentiles> The Gospel given to Paul and the restart of the clock. It seems we are very close. It is very sobering.

Then I have to go find something that says, "Rejoice!" "Let not your hearts be troubled." I love to learn, but the last thing I want to be is a depressed Christian. We have everything to look forward to and nothing to be depressed about. It's like if what I have was contagious would it be worth catching? So it's a balancing act, being aware but not overwhelmed. It's finding a way to plant lots of seeds and pray over them, singing as we go.

I agree with you Steve, the natural man is in cahoots with the god of the world. It's like which man will win, the natural man or the spirit/God man? The man that I feed. So kids that are fed a diet of Godless theology will reflect that in the way they view things and the way they relate to each other. I read a quote on twitter, "The most dangerous road to Hell is the secular/casual one, soft underfoot with no signposts."

Thanks Steve, its good to share back and forth even though we both know Christ and know that He's coming soon, maybe someone will wonder in and this will plant a seed.

Thanks Steve,

Mark



Steve Belttari said:

    
        The world's system can never teach morals to a child.  Television is a very corrupting influence, but no one is forced to watch tv, at least not directly.  I think the world system's control of people's time and values determine a value for tv.   We are a new creation in Christ, but we do need to be transformed by the renewing of our minds.  1 Cor 1 vs 30 says that in Christ who of God is made unto us wisdom, righteousness, sanctification and redemption.  Wisdom does not happen instantly.   Our home is not in this world, we are ambassadors of a much better place.  Paul said in Phil 1 vs 21 "for me to live is Christ, and to die is gain".  I also don't have a death wish, but I am aware of the suffering that Christian's throughout the world are going through, we should remember them as it says in Heb 13 vs 3.  Maybe in a 21st century setting, remembering them might lead us to taking actions that we are not accustomed to.  During the Cold War I used to give donations to Jesus to the Communist World Inc.  Now we are in the War on Terrorism, interesting that we are at war with a tactic.  I don't look at the Christians in southern Sudan as being at war with terrorism, but trying to secede from the Muslim north.  We should support them in their efforts to secede.  I think a secessionist/sovereignty movement in the United States would facilitate secessionist movements worldwide.  I envision the Ekklesia/Christian Commonwealth establishing internationally recognized safe havens for persecuted Christians throughout the world.         
Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi Steve,

We can see more and more the open hostility toward Christianity, huh? I think it is because it is the demonic realm's job to lead us away from Christ, it doesn't matter how.

When others were talking about morals outside of Christ, I almost jumped in, but didn't because so many months have passed by, but to say that, one has to remain willingly ignorant by choice.

A baby learns the word mine almost as soon as he/she learns the word mama. No one has to teach a child selfishness and jealosy, along with backbiting, ridicule, sarcasm and the like. Without fear of consequences taught in the home, the child grows up with little or no self discipline.

Just a glimpse at TV shows and we see self promoted in a verity of themes, "Look at what they did to me" or "Look at what I did to them", non stop gloat or lament. Living life in a very narrow vertical window, "It's all about me and I am better than them." That is our inherit nature at birth, inherited from the fall and the fallen nature of demons.

When we receive the New Birth, the Lord begins to change that nature from inside out. So there is a marked difference between the natural man without Christ and the new man seeking Christ. It is very pronounced as this age winds to a close.

For me, Steve, I feel drawn to the "Children that are in the land" and the children that have not yet come home, but the Lord leads us each different, so He provides plenty of different options for us all, huh?

Thanks Steve,

Mark

Steve Belttari said:


      There will be scoffers in the last days who will follow their own evil desires who will say, where is this coming that was promised long ago, don't things continue to go on like they always have?  Jesus said His coming will come like a thief in the night.  As we get closer to that day, those that are serving God will be looking for it like the Thessalonians, Paul said that this hope that they had was God's will, but some of them had to make some practical adjustments in the way they were living.  It also says in 1 John 3 vs 3 that every man that has this hope in Him purifies himself as He is pure.

     The Ekklesia is a nation or kingdom within the democratic-republic nation.  I think we have to look at what this might mean in a 21st century setting.  Jesus said he would rather you be hot or cold then lukewarm, God will make a distinction between those who serve God and those that don't.  Those that have a "form of godliness but deny it's power" will not be purified by the righteous living that a correct understanding of the rapture of the Church brings.

     I believe that there is a blessing for supporting Israel, but I think our support should be centered on the Messianic community there. Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi Steve,

I didn't take it like you were encouraging laziness. I understood what you were saying. But thanks for the writeback.

I agree, reading the 'signs of the times' we are very close. I just have to redo my will. I don't have a death wish. :-)) Should the Lord take me before we all go together, I would rather see the money go to missions such as International Fellowship of Christians and Jews or World Vision. But I am going to go for a very cheap funeral instead of creamation, it was just a thought.

It's the same with seeking the Lord on the balancing act of preparing for retirement, if I should have to and send as much as possible on ahead. I have no desire for bigger barns.

Since I started reading Juanita's Kingdom Cryer, Kingdom thoughts have been coming at me from different sources. Kingdoms unlike democratic republics, take on the nature of the King. The outer kingdom has definitely taken on the nature of its king, the god of this world and the inner Kingdom is progressively taking on the nature of the King of Kings. The thought process, how we relate, how we reference things, etc. Even 20 years ago, there appeared to be some resemblance of middle ground, 'having a form of godliness': that middle ground is fast disappearing with the two kingdoms headed in opposite directions at breakneck speeds. We are living what the prophets wrote about.

Thanks for the writeback, Steve.

Mark

Steve Belttari said:

     Mark,

     When we communicate about matters like this it is important to be as accurate and complete as possible.  After my last transmission I could imagine some people taking some things out of context.  I can imagine someone thinking that I was encougaging laziness.  I think that we should carry our own burden and at times carry other people's burdens.  1 Cor 1 vs 31 says:  "That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord."  This is taken from a scripture text in  Jeremiah chapter 9 that says:  "Let not the wise man boast in his wisdom, let not the rich man boast in his riches, let not the strong man boast in his strength, but let him who boast, boast in the Lord who exercises lovingkindness and justice in the earth."  The wise man is the professional academic , the rich man is the businessman who is consumed with making money and the strong man is the macho tough guy construction worker type, sinful man will always  descend towards these classes.  I do manual labor, business and intellectual stuff.  

     I never did mention the Devil in the fall, unlike God, he is not omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient.  He has some type of physical body that is in one place(Heaven) where he is the accuser of the brethren.  During the tribulation he will be cast down to the earth(Rev 12 vs 9-10).  He has an authority structure that is under his rule; fallen angels, demons(disembodied spirits) and the world(kosmos-social order).  Maybe it was a demon that entered the serpent and spoke through it, this I can't say for sure, but Satan was behind the deception of Eve and the fall of man.

     As far as cremation goes, certainly God has the power to resurrect someones ashes.  In fact, the unbeliever who is cremated cannot escape the ressurection at the Great White Throne Judgment.  It seems that the Bible gives a lot of a cases of proper burials, but getting buried is pretty expensive these days, so I can't say for sure.  I think we are pretty close to the rapture and maybe God would not want us thinking about burying or cremating our body when we are not going to die.  No man can say the exact day and hour when the rapture is going to occur, but there are things that are taught in the Bible that would indicate how close we are to that glorious day.  I Don't want to go into all that right now, maybe another discussion topic.                    

Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the reply. Sure is interesting isn't it? Do you think it is a sin or an offense to God to be intentionally cremated? If I knew it wasn't an offense to the Lord, I would leave that in my will so most of what little I have could be put to good use.

Thanks Steve,

Mark

Steve Belttari said:

     I don't know enough about languages to say what language the first humans spoke, but they did speak one language until the Tower of Babel.  Instead of using their unity of language to glorify God, sinful man centralized in cities and built a skyscraper.  It seems to me that man was meant to communicate with animals, if this wasn't the case, surely Eve would have been terrified if a snake was to talk to her out of the blue.  Apparently snakes were designed by God to move about vertically, but when God cursed the serpent, he now slithers around on his belly.  After the fall, the woman was also cursed with pain in childbearing and having her husband as her personal dictator.  God also said to the first unrepentant sinner Adam, "cursed is the ground for YOUR sake", kind of interesting how men always think that God gets something out of their work, when the curse/affliction of work is designed to keep sinners busy.  Maybe we get this from Martin Luther who made a big ado about glorifying God in a secular occupation.  If he really believed this he would have stopped being a professional holy man and became a manual laborer instead, but he didn't, because translating Bibles and writing religious tracts is much more intellectually stimulating then moving dirt around.  As for the story of Joseph, I think the lesson that we can learn from it is that God will always use evil for good, as it says in Romans 8 vs 28, "all things work together for good for those  who love God and are called according to his purpose."  

Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi. :-))

We had an ice storm tonight and I had to go in until 3:30am and now I am wide awake so maybe I can be the first response. I have to go back in at 8:00am.

I would say, "Be very careful. Scripture is of no private interpretation. Out of the mouth of two witnesses, so look to see if God has led any of His appointed/anointed ministers in that direction. I would say be careful about adding to or taking away from Scripture, if nothing else you could end up spending some quality time in His woodshed.

When God addresses something physically, it usually has spiritual significance. Interestingly, even though I know nothing about snake anatomy, I heard a python has a hip socket.

I am going to try to get a couple of hours sleep, but I thought maybe I could start this off.

Thanks for having patience with me. :-))

Mark

     So much of the Bible is about enduring suffering, if the Bible is approached in a devotional way.  James 5 vs 11 says: " Behold, we count them happy which endure.  Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy".  It seems that so much of my experience has been about quietly enduring suffering, the Lord has not put me into the ministry yet, maybe the Lord does use  my input on Kingdom Insight to minister to people. 

     I'm assuming that it is the infamous Charles Darwin that you made reference to.  I have heard that he did have a conversion to Christianity before he died.  This could be true, there is only one sin that cannot be forgiven(blasphemy of the Holy Spirit).  I'm just curious of what his repentance from dead works would be, like everything that I have written is a bunch of nonsense.

     "We only see through a glass darkly", which is why we should be sober minded about the faith that God has given us(Romans 12 vs 3).  The apostle Paul had many supernatural experiences, one of them he was taken to Heaven, he said he could not communicate in human language what he experienced there, and even if he could it would not be lawful to do so.  Because of these revelations, there was given to Paul some type of affliction, the messanger of Satan to buffet him lest he should become exalted above measure.  He asked God 3 times to take it from him, but the Lord said, "my grace is sufficient for thee:  for my strength is made perfect in weakness".       

    

        

Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi Steve,

I agree. Our Lord is in charge and will work all things according to His Will. I think that's why it's good for Christians to remind and encourage each other as we each work to be trusted stewards in that place of our assignments.

I woke up early and was watching a Christian perspective of the Galapagos Islands and heard the story of the Admiral that took Darwin. He became a Christian 5 years after the voyage and wrote his own journal of what they were witnessing.

In the opening of the Book of Job, we are privy to a conversation that took place that Job and his friends are never privy to during the exchange. They are each put on the witness stand. It is one of the most awesome unveilings of The True Narrative and the Majesty of the Most High ever written. The only problem is they are using it as a club to whack each other instead of saying "Come and see."

Years ago, I used to watch The Twilight Zone. One episode, there was this couple exchanging barb for barb for barb the whole show and at the end, the camera backed up to a wide angle overview and there were bleachers on all sides of the room and there were figures sitting in the dark witnessing the exchange of barbs. "Here we see through a glass darkly..." "For we walk by faith, not by sight..."

I believe God is using and will use Kingdom Insight mightily and I am so grateful to be allowed to have a small part in it.

Thanks Steve,

Mark 

Steve Belttari said:

     Mark,

     Jesus said that in this world you will have tribulation, but fear not, I have overcome the world.  In God's time table it has only been 2 days since Jesus Christ died and was ressurrected.  He is now in Heaven where he makes intersession for us.  I think a common feeling that Christians have is that they are not in control of their lives.  You buy gas and you support terrorists, you transact business with federal reserve notes, you violate the Constitution and support international banksters.  Being seperate from this system is a lot easier said than done, but we can, but we have to change and get control of our lives.  It is the presence of the Church that keeps the Islamic anti-christ from being revealed or to come into power.   The early Church was the illegal persecuted Church that eventually became a state Church in AD 312.  The state Church of European Christendom was not totally corrupt, there was some good aspects to it.  There are some things about Christianity that are always going to be the same, but I don't think it is wise to put God in a box in how He uses the public institution of His Ekklesia(Church).        

Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi Steve.

I have been watching some You Tube videos Sheri linked on her page in 2009 on the dramatic rise of Islam and what that means for Israel and the world as this Age winds to a close. Watching what's going in Egypt, Yemen and Jordan, I am starting to go back to the Gospels and reread "When shall these things be?" It's like it was divided into 3 segments, The Kingdom Gospel until 70 AD, Times of the Gentiles> The Gospel given to Paul and the restart of the clock. It seems we are very close. It is very sobering.

Then I have to go find something that says, "Rejoice!" "Let not your hearts be troubled." I love to learn, but the last thing I want to be is a depressed Christian. We have everything to look forward to and nothing to be depressed about. It's like if what I have was contagious would it be worth catching? So it's a balancing act, being aware but not overwhelmed. It's finding a way to plant lots of seeds and pray over them, singing as we go.

I agree with you Steve, the natural man is in cahoots with the god of the world. It's like which man will win, the natural man or the spirit/God man? The man that I feed. So kids that are fed a diet of Godless theology will reflect that in the way they view things and the way they relate to each other. I read a quote on twitter, "The most dangerous road to Hell is the secular/casual one, soft underfoot with no signposts."

Thanks Steve, its good to share back and forth even though we both know Christ and know that He's coming soon, maybe someone will wonder in and this will plant a seed.

Thanks Steve,

Mark



Steve Belttari said:

    
        The world's system can never teach morals to a child.  Television is a very corrupting influence, but no one is forced to watch tv, at least not directly.  I think the world system's control of people's time and values determine a value for tv.   We are a new creation in Christ, but we do need to be transformed by the renewing of our minds.  1 Cor 1 vs 30 says that in Christ who of God is made unto us wisdom, righteousness, sanctification and redemption.  Wisdom does not happen instantly.   Our home is not in this world, we are ambassadors of a much better place.  Paul said in Phil 1 vs 21 "for me to live is Christ, and to die is gain".  I also don't have a death wish, but I am aware of the suffering that Christian's throughout the world are going through, we should remember them as it says in Heb 13 vs 3.  Maybe in a 21st century setting, remembering them might lead us to taking actions that we are not accustomed to.  During the Cold War I used to give donations to Jesus to the Communist World Inc.  Now we are in the War on Terrorism, interesting that we are at war with a tactic.  I don't look at the Christians in southern Sudan as being at war with terrorism, but trying to secede from the Muslim north.  We should support them in their efforts to secede.  I think a secessionist/sovereignty movement in the United States would facilitate secessionist movements worldwide.  I envision the Ekklesia/Christian Commonwealth establishing internationally recognized safe havens for persecuted Christians throughout the world.         
Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi Steve,

We can see more and more the open hostility toward Christianity, huh? I think it is because it is the demonic realm's job to lead us away from Christ, it doesn't matter how.

When others were talking about morals outside of Christ, I almost jumped in, but didn't because so many months have passed by, but to say that, one has to remain willingly ignorant by choice.

A baby learns the word mine almost as soon as he/she learns the word mama. No one has to teach a child selfishness and jealosy, along with backbiting, ridicule, sarcasm and the like. Without fear of consequences taught in the home, the child grows up with little or no self discipline.

Just a glimpse at TV shows and we see self promoted in a verity of themes, "Look at what they did to me" or "Look at what I did to them", non stop gloat or lament. Living life in a very narrow vertical window, "It's all about me and I am better than them." That is our inherit nature at birth, inherited from the fall and the fallen nature of demons.

When we receive the New Birth, the Lord begins to change that nature from inside out. So there is a marked difference between the natural man without Christ and the new man seeking Christ. It is very pronounced as this age winds to a close.

For me, Steve, I feel drawn to the "Children that are in the land" and the children that have not yet come home, but the Lord leads us each different, so He provides plenty of different options for us all, huh?

Thanks Steve,

Mark

Steve Belttari said:


      There will be scoffers in the last days who will follow their own evil desires who will say, where is this coming that was promised long ago, don't things continue to go on like they always have?  Jesus said His coming will come like a thief in the night.  As we get closer to that day, those that are serving God will be looking for it like the Thessalonians, Paul said that this hope that they had was God's will, but some of them had to make some practical adjustments in the way they were living.  It also says in 1 John 3 vs 3 that every man that has this hope in Him purifies himself as He is pure.

     The Ekklesia is a nation or kingdom within the democratic-republic nation.  I think we have to look at what this might mean in a 21st century setting.  Jesus said he would rather you be hot or cold then lukewarm, God will make a distinction between those who serve God and those that don't.  Those that have a "form of godliness but deny it's power" will not be purified by the righteous living that a correct understanding of the rapture of the Church brings.

     I believe that there is a blessing for supporting Israel, but I think our support should be centered on the Messianic community there. Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi Steve,

I didn't take it like you were encouraging laziness. I understood what you were saying. But thanks for the writeback.

I agree, reading the 'signs of the times' we are very close. I just have to redo my will. I don't have a death wish. :-)) Should the Lord take me before we all go together, I would rather see the money go to missions such as International Fellowship of Christians and Jews or World Vision. But I am going to go for a very cheap funeral instead of creamation, it was just a thought.

It's the same with seeking the Lord on the balancing act of preparing for retirement, if I should have to and send as much as possible on ahead. I have no desire for bigger barns.

Since I started reading Juanita's Kingdom Cryer, Kingdom thoughts have been coming at me from different sources. Kingdoms unlike democratic republics, take on the nature of the King. The outer kingdom has definitely taken on the nature of its king, the god of this world and the inner Kingdom is progressively taking on the nature of the King of Kings. The thought process, how we relate, how we reference things, etc. Even 20 years ago, there appeared to be some resemblance of middle ground, 'having a form of godliness': that middle ground is fast disappearing with the two kingdoms headed in opposite directions at breakneck speeds. We are living what the prophets wrote about.

Thanks for the writeback, Steve.

Mark

Steve Belttari said:

     Mark,

     When we communicate about matters like this it is important to be as accurate and complete as possible.  After my last transmission I could imagine some people taking some things out of context.  I can imagine someone thinking that I was encougaging laziness.  I think that we should carry our own burden and at times carry other people's burdens.  1 Cor 1 vs 31 says:  "That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord."  This is taken from a scripture text in  Jeremiah chapter 9 that says:  "Let not the wise man boast in his wisdom, let not the rich man boast in his riches, let not the strong man boast in his strength, but let him who boast, boast in the Lord who exercises lovingkindness and justice in the earth."  The wise man is the professional academic , the rich man is the businessman who is consumed with making money and the strong man is the macho tough guy construction worker type, sinful man will always  descend towards these classes.  I do manual labor, business and intellectual stuff.  

     I never did mention the Devil in the fall, unlike God, he is not omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient.  He has some type of physical body that is in one place(Heaven) where he is the accuser of the brethren.  During the tribulation he will be cast down to the earth(Rev 12 vs 9-10).  He has an authority structure that is under his rule; fallen angels, demons(disembodied spirits) and the world(kosmos-social order).  Maybe it was a demon that entered the serpent and spoke through it, this I can't say for sure, but Satan was behind the deception of Eve and the fall of man.

     As far as cremation goes, certainly God has the power to resurrect someones ashes.  In fact, the unbeliever who is cremated cannot escape the ressurection at the Great White Throne Judgment.  It seems that the Bible gives a lot of a cases of proper burials, but getting buried is pretty expensive these days, so I can't say for sure.  I think we are pretty close to the rapture and maybe God would not want us thinking about burying or cremating our body when we are not going to die.  No man can say the exact day and hour when the rapture is going to occur, but there are things that are taught in the Bible that would indicate how close we are to that glorious day.  I Don't want to go into all that right now, maybe another discussion topic.                    

Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the reply. Sure is interesting isn't it? Do you think it is a sin or an offense to God to be intentionally cremated? If I knew it wasn't an offense to the Lord, I would leave that in my will so most of what little I have could be put to good use.

Thanks Steve,

Mark

Steve Belttari said:

     I don't know enough about languages to say what language the first humans spoke, but they did speak one language until the Tower of Babel.  Instead of using their unity of language to glorify God, sinful man centralized in cities and built a skyscraper.  It seems to me that man was meant to communicate with animals, if this wasn't the case, surely Eve would have been terrified if a snake was to talk to her out of the blue.  Apparently snakes were designed by God to move about vertically, but when God cursed the serpent, he now slithers around on his belly.  After the fall, the woman was also cursed with pain in childbearing and having her husband as her personal dictator.  God also said to the first unrepentant sinner Adam, "cursed is the ground for YOUR sake", kind of interesting how men always think that God gets something out of their work, when the curse/affliction of work is designed to keep sinners busy.  Maybe we get this from Martin Luther who made a big ado about glorifying God in a secular occupation.  If he really believed this he would have stopped being a professional holy man and became a manual laborer instead, but he didn't, because translating Bibles and writing religious tracts is much more intellectually stimulating then moving dirt around.  As for the story of Joseph, I think the lesson that we can learn from it is that God will always use evil for good, as it says in Romans 8 vs 28, "all things work together for good for those  who love God and are called according to his purpose."  

Mark Edward Kroger said:

Hi. :-))

We had an ice storm tonight and I had to go in until 3:30am and now I am wide awake so maybe I can be the first response. I have to go back in at 8:00am.

I would say, "Be very careful. Scripture is of no private interpretation. Out of the mouth of two witnesses, so look to see if God has led any of His appointed/anointed ministers in that direction. I would say be careful about adding to or taking away from Scripture, if nothing else you could end up spending some quality time in His woodshed.

When God addresses something physically, it usually has spiritual significance. Interestingly, even though I know nothing about snake anatomy, I heard a python has a hip socket.

I am going to try to get a couple of hours sleep, but I thought maybe I could start this off.

Thanks for having patience with me. :-))

Mark

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