Are you smarter than an atheist? A religious quiz

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Mark Edward Kroger January 31, 2011 at 10:49pm

Hi Lisa.

Glad for you to join in.

I think pitting one natural man against another is an exercise in futility, huh? "Not by might, not by power, but by my Spirit, saith the Lord."

I spent a very long time alcohol and party central. There was a guy that hit the back of a school bus, the gas tank exploded and killed a lot of kids. Many times I walked around my truck and sat on the curb to try to figure out how the truck got home and where from. I could have been that guy several hundred times.

Many people have met Christ in prison and opened an outreach in prison. Because of it, many fellow prisoners received Christ before they left this life. The comprehensive overview will be from the other side, huh?

Thanks Lisa, I hope you come back.

Mark

Lisa said:

Possibly the atheists are such a low percentage in prison because they are a low percentage out of prison...

James said:
I will have to check into the Cato Institute not familiar with them. I am in no way a libertarian. I find it hard to believe that anyone not filthy rich would be a libertarian. No social security, no medicaid, no unemployment insurance no public schools. No thank you.
Why are there so many very successful free atheist countries? With free health care, longer life expectancy, higher levels of education and lower levels of prejudice not only against women and gays, but people from other ethnicities as well. For good measure, atheists were less likely to beat their children and more likely to encourage them to think independently.

Why do atheist have the lowest U.S. divorce rates?

A recent study by the Barna Research Group found divorce rates among conservative Christians were significantly higher than for other faith groups, and much higher than Atheists and Agnostics experience.
I am in this group an atheist still married to his first wife for over 25 years now. Married my high school sweet heart.

Why are atheist the lowest percentage of people in our prisons?

A study in the 1990s found that a meagre 0.2% of the US prison population were atheists. In America, the states with the highest murder rates tend to be highly religious, such as Louisiana and Alabama, but the states with the lowest murder rates are among the least religious in the country, such as Vermont and Oregon.

What applies at city and state level applies internationally. Sweden, the most secular country in the world, gives the highest proportion of its gross domestic product in aid. Of the top 10 aid donors, only the United States is a strongly religious country.

Steve Belttari said:

I'm sure that you have heard of the Libertarian think tank CATO, I would say most of CATO is atheists. Ever watch John Stoessel? He is a Libertarian atheist. When I talk to people about the Libertarian party, they usually have an image of them as arrogant atheists with PHD's. It is a paradox that atheists in our culture would be the biggest defenders of liberty. You will not find that in other collectivist nation-states where socialism has produced the atheists.
James said:
I must confess. I have never heard of a libertarian atheist before. Can't believe there are many that claim to be one. Don't make any sense.

Why are atheism and liberty so incompatible? Simply this: The only objective moral reference for an atheist is the natural world, and primarily the animal world of which man is a part.The argument against forced charity; the fact that an animal always takes care of itself by instinct, in fact MUST take care of itself, as there is no charity in the animal world. Is the only example i can think of.

THERE IS ALSO NO LIBERTY IN THE ANIMAL WORLD! There is no protected private property in the animal world, it's survival of the fittest. If I'm bigger and stronger than you, then I DESERVE to live and you DESERVE to die. In fact, It's MORAL! The political model of nature is FASCISM! (Note: I'm using the term "fascism" in the general sense of "might makes right", not as a reference to the actual Italian Fascist party platform.)

Christianity is the very root of the libertarian concept.

Steve Belttari said:

I think that some atheists are more intent on proselytizing than other atheists. Someone who wants to win converts will have more knowledge of others beliefs and do better on the test. Some of the libertarian atheists that I know are more intent on defending free enterprise capitalism, than they are their atheism.
Juanita said:
I have theory on why atheists do better.

It takes a certain type of logic, assumptions, etc. to assert that there is no god. While many atheists say they simply lack the belief in God - it is quite evident that they generally back up their 'lack of belief' with rational arguments for a naturalistic world view and, at the same time, have an arsonal of 'facts' and data to disprove various religious points of view. This type of thinking would be 'above average', hence a link between belief systems and intelligence. Historically 'the masses' believe in 'something' be it superstition, religion, or fate. It takes a bit more to believe in 'nothing', that chance, randomness and fluke circumstances are the cause of everything. ;-)
Lisa January 31, 2011 at 1:33pm

Possibly the atheists are such a low percentage in prison because they are a low percentage out of prison...

James said:
I will have to check into the Cato Institute not familiar with them. I am in no way a libertarian. I find it hard to believe that anyone not filthy rich would be a libertarian. No social security, no medicaid, no unemployment insurance no public schools. No thank you.
Why are there so many very successful free atheist countries? With free health care, longer life expectancy, higher levels of education and lower levels of prejudice not only against women and gays, but people from other ethnicities as well. For good measure, atheists were less likely to beat their children and more likely to encourage them to think independently.

Why do atheist have the lowest U.S. divorce rates?

A recent study by the Barna Research Group found divorce rates among conservative Christians were significantly higher than for other faith groups, and much higher than Atheists and Agnostics experience.
I am in this group an atheist still married to his first wife for over 25 years now. Married my high school sweet heart.

Why are atheist the lowest percentage of people in our prisons?

A study in the 1990s found that a meagre 0.2% of the US prison population were atheists. In America, the states with the highest murder rates tend to be highly religious, such as Louisiana and Alabama, but the states with the lowest murder rates are among the least religious in the country, such as Vermont and Oregon.

What applies at city and state level applies internationally. Sweden, the most secular country in the world, gives the highest proportion of its gross domestic product in aid. Of the top 10 aid donors, only the United States is a strongly religious country.

Steve Belttari said:

I'm sure that you have heard of the Libertarian think tank CATO, I would say most of CATO is atheists. Ever watch John Stoessel? He is a Libertarian atheist. When I talk to people about the Libertarian party, they usually have an image of them as arrogant atheists with PHD's. It is a paradox that atheists in our culture would be the biggest defenders of liberty. You will not find that in other collectivist nation-states where socialism has produced the atheists.
James said:
I must confess. I have never heard of a libertarian atheist before. Can't believe there are many that claim to be one. Don't make any sense.

Why are atheism and liberty so incompatible? Simply this: The only objective moral reference for an atheist is the natural world, and primarily the animal world of which man is a part.The argument against forced charity; the fact that an animal always takes care of itself by instinct, in fact MUST take care of itself, as there is no charity in the animal world. Is the only example i can think of.

THERE IS ALSO NO LIBERTY IN THE ANIMAL WORLD! There is no protected private property in the animal world, it's survival of the fittest. If I'm bigger and stronger than you, then I DESERVE to live and you DESERVE to die. In fact, It's MORAL! The political model of nature is FASCISM! (Note: I'm using the term "fascism" in the general sense of "might makes right", not as a reference to the actual Italian Fascist party platform.)

Christianity is the very root of the libertarian concept.

Steve Belttari said:

I think that some atheists are more intent on proselytizing than other atheists. Someone who wants to win converts will have more knowledge of others beliefs and do better on the test. Some of the libertarian atheists that I know are more intent on defending free enterprise capitalism, than they are their atheism.
Juanita said:
I have theory on why atheists do better.

It takes a certain type of logic, assumptions, etc. to assert that there is no god. While many atheists say they simply lack the belief in God - it is quite evident that they generally back up their 'lack of belief' with rational arguments for a naturalistic world view and, at the same time, have an arsonal of 'facts' and data to disprove various religious points of view. This type of thinking would be 'above average', hence a link between belief systems and intelligence. Historically 'the masses' believe in 'something' be it superstition, religion, or fate. It takes a bit more to believe in 'nothing', that chance, randomness and fluke circumstances are the cause of everything. ;-)
Mark Edward Kroger January 19, 2011 at 10:55pm

Thanks James.

Nice reply. I was going to just pray for Kingdom Insight, a wonderful website from Juanita's very good heart, but not sign in any more because I felt I was causing more conflict than good. I have a daily devotional that comes in the morning email and it said, "My little children, let us not love in word only..." God knows just what we need and when we need it.

And sometimes I worry about sounding too spiritual and too Holy when I a flawed to the core. I don't fill my tweets on twitter with Scripture verses, I look more for inspirational and motivational quotes and I follow a number of Scripture tweeters and I find a thought provoking one and re tweet it. I want people to know that God loves and accepts very flawed people. If we will just grab a hold and hang on tight, He will get us from here to there.

But this is a Christian website, a place where we can come to share, learn and get recharged from life's struggles. I'm going to close this, James so I can go over to your Heaven's thread. I think we all have those same questions.

Mark
James said:

Nice letter Mark. Glad to hear ya kicked alcohols butt. Been there,thats a stuffy alright. Ya got a big way to go from me.

I to love people, well too much at times. It's been pretty much a life long battle for me.Trying to find some middle ground where I can still help others in need of my help but without letting other peoples problems over run my own life. More then once I have let my own life go to hell for lack of a better word,because I was to tighted up in helping others. This led to my own drinking problem.

Garden this time of year.I am jealous of that. Where I am I have a hard time getting my house plants through the winter. Outside nothing is alive.

Mark Edward Kroger said:

I have no idea which thread I am in. Oh well. :-))

I had a wonderful day at work today. I start my morning in prayer, telling the Lord how grateful I am that He came to my rescue. I am so grateful for the life He has provided me here and secured for me there. I always want Him to know that.

I have a prayer garden I water every morning. This wonderful website and everyone here is on it. Jesus makes music out of my mess. I ran from Him for so very long. I have a voice impediment, my voice is almost a whisper. I swallowed chorine gas earlier in life. It left scarring on my vocal chords. Alcohol relaxed my vocal chords and my voice would go down to its normal depth and I could talk fine. I even tried to reason with the Lord on why alcohol was good for me. That's why I know He has a sense of humor.

When I finally left alcohol, I spent a year in AA to put time and distance between me and my old habits. It was a process. One day at a time. Here I am 19 years away from it and growing is still a process, one day at a time. By His Grace, I am a very willing student in most areas as I am hungry for His Knowledge. But some areas, self stills tries to reason with Him on why my way is better than His. He is so patient with me.

Sometimes I cry myself to sleep when I think I offended His Name. I don't cling to the letter of the Law, I want people to meet this very awesome God who loves us so much.

There is an enemy afoot. He is still saying, "Has God said?" I get so mad at him, sometimes I lose focus. It's the Goodness, Mercy and Grace of a very loving God that patiently pursued me until I finally said, Jesus, would you come in and do something with this mess that I've made.

Every time I give advice, the Lord has two problems to fix, the original and the one I just created. "He that is forgiven much, loveth much." I love people and I want to say, "Can't you see?" not realizing they have their process they have to go through, just like I had/have mine.

But God is faithful. He knows our hearts. I love people so much, I hurt. The Lord told me I could have what I ask for. I ask Him for everyone at Kingdom Insight. Most are already in Kingdom and the rest will be there. Even the ones with a pocket full of pharmaceuticals and a pocket full of pictures :-))

Sometimes God is interntionally mysterious. "It is the Glory of God to conceal a thing, but the honor of kings to search out a matter." Sometimes I have to take what little I know and set it on a shelve, until He shows me more. But that is just icing on the cake. My only poor analogy is, "God is like a cell phone. At first I didn't know I needed him. But now, how did I ever live without Him?"

God doesn't need me. I need Him. God is not trying to impress me. God doesn't tell lies. If I am confused about something or if something doesn't seem like it works in my finite mind, I ask Him and wait. Sometimes He shows me and sometimes He doesn't. I am content with that. I am getting to know Him. Again, it is a process.

"We will know as we are known." Someday all of our questions will be answered. Right now it is faith in Him and His Word. I troubleshoot integrated circuits. Sometimes I say, "What? This can't work..." I am stuck in a little Window looking at some interdependencies that seem to conflict. Then I look at the schematic and it works just like the design engineer designed it to. So I am learning not to tell God, this is wrong or this won't work, Instead I say, "I don't understand this." The lack of vision is in me, not Him.

I love you all. Thanks for listening.

Mark
James January 19, 2011 at 1:45pm

Nice letter Mark. Glad to hear ya kicked alcohols butt. Been there,thats a stuffy alright. Ya got a big way to go from me.

I to love people, well too much at times. It's been pretty much a life long battle for me.Trying to find some middle ground where I can still help others in need of my help but without letting other peoples problems over run my own life. More then once I have let my own life go to hell for lack of a better word,because I was to tighted up in helping others. This led to my own drinking problem.

Garden this time of year.I am jealous of that. Where I am I have a hard time getting my house plants through the winter. Outside nothing is alive.

Mark Edward Kroger said:

I have no idea which thread I am in. Oh well. :-))

I had a wonderful day at work today. I start my morning in prayer, telling the Lord how grateful I am that He came to my rescue. I am so grateful for the life He has provided me here and secured for me there. I always want Him to know that.

I have a prayer garden I water every morning. This wonderful website and everyone here is on it. Jesus makes music out of my mess. I ran from Him for so very long. I have a voice impediment, my voice is almost a whisper. I swallowed chorine gas earlier in life. It left scarring on my vocal chords. Alcohol relaxed my vocal chords and my voice would go down to its normal depth and I could talk fine. I even tried to reason with the Lord on why alcohol was good for me. That's why I know He has a sense of humor.

When I finally left alcohol, I spent a year in AA to put time and distance between me and my old habits. It was a process. One day at a time. Here I am 19 years away from it and growing is still a process, one day at a time. By His Grace, I am a very willing student in most areas as I am hungry for His Knowledge. But some areas, self stills tries to reason with Him on why my way is better than His. He is so patient with me.

Sometimes I cry myself to sleep when I think I offended His Name. I don't cling to the letter of the Law, I want people to meet this very awesome God who loves us so much.

There is an enemy afoot. He is still saying, "Has God said?" I get so mad at him, sometimes I lose focus. It's the Goodness, Mercy and Grace of a very loving God that patiently pursued me until I finally said, Jesus, would you come in and do something with this mess that I've made.

Every time I give advice, the Lord has two problems to fix, the original and the one I just created. "He that is forgiven much, loveth much." I love people and I want to say, "Can't you see?" not realizing they have their process they have to go through, just like I had/have mine.

But God is faithful. He knows our hearts. I love people so much, I hurt. The Lord told me I could have what I ask for. I ask Him for everyone at Kingdom Insight. Most are already in Kingdom and the rest will be there. Even the ones with a pocket full of pharmaceuticals and a pocket full of pictures :-))

Sometimes God is interntionally mysterious. "It is the Glory of God to conceal a thing, but the honor of kings to search out a matter." Sometimes I have to take what little I know and set it on a shelve, until He shows me more. But that is just icing on the cake. My only poor analogy is, "God is like a cell phone. At first I didn't know I needed him. But now, how did I ever live without Him?"

God doesn't need me. I need Him. God is not trying to impress me. God doesn't tell lies. If I am confused about something or if something doesn't seem like it works in my finite mind, I ask Him and wait. Sometimes He shows me and sometimes He doesn't. I am content with that. I am getting to know Him. Again, it is a process.

"We will know as we are known." Someday all of our questions will be answered. Right now it is faith in Him and His Word. I troubleshoot integrated circuits. Sometimes I say, "What? This can't work..." I am stuck in a little Window looking at some interdependencies that seem to conflict. Then I look at the schematic and it works just like the design engineer designed it to. So I am learning not to tell God, this is wrong or this won't work, Instead I say, "I don't understand this." The lack of vision is in me, not Him.

I love you all. Thanks for listening.

Mark
Mark Edward Kroger January 19, 2011 at 11:08am

I have no idea which thread I am in. Oh well. :-))

I had a wonderful day at work today. I start my morning in prayer, telling the Lord how grateful I am that He came to my rescue. I am so grateful for the life He has provided me here and secured for me there. I always want Him to know that.

I have a prayer garden I water every morning. This wonderful website and everyone here is on it. Jesus makes music out of my mess. I ran from Him for so very long. I have a voice impediment, my voice is almost a whisper. I swallowed chorine gas earlier in life. It left scarring on my vocal chords. Alcohol relaxed my vocal chords and my voice would go down to its normal depth and I could talk fine. I even tried to reason with the Lord on why alcohol was good for me. That's why I know He has a sense of humor.

When I finally left alcohol, I spent a year in AA to put time and distance between me and my old habits. It was a process. One day at a time. Here I am 19 years away from it and growing is still a process, one day at a time. By His Grace, I am a very willing student in most areas as I am hungry for His Knowledge. But some areas, self stills tries to reason with Him on why my way is better than His. He is so patient with me.

Sometimes I cry myself to sleep when I think I offended His Name. I don't cling to the letter of the Law, I want people to meet this very awesome God who loves us so much.

There is an enemy afoot. He is still saying, "Has God said?" I get so mad at him, sometimes I lose focus. It's the Goodness, Mercy and Grace of a very loving God that patiently pursued me until I finally said, Jesus, would you come in and do something with this mess that I've made.

Every time I give advice, the Lord has two problems to fix, the original and the one I just created. "He that is forgiven much, loveth much." I love people and I want to say, "Can't you see?" not realizing they have their process they have to go through, just like I had/have mine.

But God is faithful. He knows our hearts. I love people so much, I hurt. The Lord told me I could have what I ask for. I ask Him for everyone at Kingdom Insight. Most are already in Kingdom and the rest will be there. Even the ones with a pocket full of pharmaceuticals and a pocket full of pictures :-))

Sometimes God is interntionally mysterious. "It is the Glory of God to conceal a thing, but the honor of kings to search out a matter." Sometimes I have to take what little I know and set it on a shelve, until He shows me more. But that is just icing on the cake. My only poor analogy is, "God is like a cell phone. At first I didn't know I needed him. But now, how did I ever live without Him?"

God doesn't need me. I need Him. God is not trying to impress me. God doesn't tell lies. If I am confused about something or if something doesn't seem like it works in my finite mind, I ask Him and wait. Sometimes He shows me and sometimes He doesn't. I am content with that. I am getting to know Him. Again, it is a process.

"We will know as we are known." Someday all of our questions will be answered. Right now it is faith in Him and His Word. I troubleshoot integrated circuits. Sometimes I say, "What? This can't work..." I am stuck in a little Window looking at some interdependencies that seem to conflict. Then I look at the schematic and it works just like the design engineer designed it to. So I am learning not to tell God, this is wrong or this won't work, Instead I say, "I don't understand this." The lack of vision is in me, not Him.

I love you all. Thanks for listening.

Mark

Steve Belttari said:

The proverb says to "train a child in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it", one raises livestock not children. As I have followed your input, I think that this is the first time that you mentioned that you were once a Christian. Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you received Jesus as your savior? If you did not, you cannot understand scripture in the way God intends for you to understand. In a previous post you said that men go into an eternal sleep when we die, according to 1 Cor 15 vs 32-33 this is an evil communication that corrupts good behavior. You also said that you do many charitable deeds, this is a good thing, however, the only reason that you do these good things is because God is good, the question is: Do you give God credit for this. Hell is a place that has no goodness, because God is goodness and He is not there.

Steve Belttari said:

James said:

It all good. I to apolagize. Never intended to offend you or anyone else.I hope you can believe that.

You are not alone in tring to save my soul.My mother is hard at work, alone with other members of my family to save me.I was raised by strong Christians, studied the bible for years.

While I don't see becoming a Christian again in my furture stranger things have happened. Even if I did I would never be able to read the creation account or the flood as history.It just don't fit. Of course I would not be alone in thinking that way as many Christians don't regaurd the whole bible as history.

I believe I covered how/why I started visiting here in my last reply.

Mark Edward Kroger said:

Jame, It's me again. I apologize for being snappy and rude. I thought about it and what we both need is the Lord to break up our rocky ground so His seeds can take root. So I am devoting the rest of this fast to me and you and we will just see what the Lord will do for us.

You are like me, we both need the Lord to work on our delivery. I am claiming you for Heaven. You may have to do a lot of ooching and ouching just like me, but I am claiming and receiving you will yell, "Jesus, Help!" before you leave this life.

You came to a Christian Website. There is a lot of prayer power here. No one should ever come to a Christian Website without becoming highly favored before the Lord. Like me, you may not get what you thought you wanted, but you will get what you need and you will realize it was what you were searching for all along.

I am in prayer for you and no demon can stop it.

See you in Heaven :-))

Mark
James January 19, 2011 at 7:29am

I don't know if I was a Christian or not. Can a young teenager say he/she is? Then as now I have many questions. I started a new thread on Heaven right after death or after Jesus return. Lets take this talk over there. Fits better there then here.

I am only one of many that prove Proverbs 22:6 wrong.

Funny other have said to me and others that the bible is in like code that only believers can follow. That is silly. How can a non- follower become a follower if he/she can not read the bible for what it is?

Steve Belttari said:

The proverb says to "train a child in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it", one raises livestock not children. As I have followed your input, I think that this is the first time that you mentioned that you were once a Christian. Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you received Jesus as your savior? If you did not, you cannot understand scripture in the way God intends for you to understand. In a previous post you said that men go into an eternal sleep when we die, according to 1 Cor 15 vs 32-33 this is an evil communication that corrupts good behavior. You also said that you do many charitable deeds, this is a good thing, however, the only reason that you do these good things is because God is good, the question is: Do you give God credit for this. Hell is a place that has no goodness, because God is goodness and He is not there.

Steve Belttari said:
Steve Belttari January 19, 2011 at 6:32am

The proverb says to "train a child in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it", one raises livestock not children. As I have followed your input, I think that this is the first time that you mentioned that you were once a Christian. Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you received Jesus as your savior? If you did not, you cannot understand scripture in the way God intends for you to understand. In a previous post you said that men go into an eternal sleep when we die, according to 1 Cor 15 vs 32-33 this is an evil communication that corrupts good behavior. You also said that you do many charitable deeds, this is a good thing, however, the only reason that you do these good things is because God is good, the question is: Do you give God credit for this. Hell is a place that has no goodness, because God is goodness and He is not there.

Steve Belttari said:

James said:

It all good. I to apolagize. Never intended to offend you or anyone else.I hope you can believe that.

You are not alone in tring to save my soul.My mother is hard at work, alone with other members of my family to save me.I was raised by strong Christians, studied the bible for years.

While I don't see becoming a Christian again in my furture stranger things have happened. Even if I did I would never be able to read the creation account or the flood as history.It just don't fit. Of course I would not be alone in thinking that way as many Christians don't regaurd the whole bible as history.

I believe I covered how/why I started visiting here in my last reply.

Mark Edward Kroger said:

Jame, It's me again. I apologize for being snappy and rude. I thought about it and what we both need is the Lord to break up our rocky ground so His seeds can take root. So I am devoting the rest of this fast to me and you and we will just see what the Lord will do for us.

You are like me, we both need the Lord to work on our delivery. I am claiming you for Heaven. You may have to do a lot of ooching and ouching just like me, but I am claiming and receiving you will yell, "Jesus, Help!" before you leave this life.

You came to a Christian Website. There is a lot of prayer power here. No one should ever come to a Christian Website without becoming highly favored before the Lord. Like me, you may not get what you thought you wanted, but you will get what you need and you will realize it was what you were searching for all along.

I am in prayer for you and no demon can stop it.

See you in Heaven :-))

Mark
Steve Belttari January 19, 2011 at 6:12am

James said:

It all good. I to apolagize. Never intended to offend you or anyone else.I hope you can believe that.

You are not alone in tring to save my soul.My mother is hard at work, alone with other members of my family to save me.I was raised by strong Christians, studied the bible for years.

While I don't see becoming a Christian again in my furture stranger things have happened. Even if I did I would never be able to read the creation account or the flood as history.It just don't fit. Of course I would not be alone in thinking that way as many Christians don't regaurd the whole bible as history.

I believe I covered how/why I started visiting here in my last reply.

Mark Edward Kroger said:

Jame, It's me again. I apologize for being snappy and rude. I thought about it and what we both need is the Lord to break up our rocky ground so His seeds can take root. So I am devoting the rest of this fast to me and you and we will just see what the Lord will do for us.

You are like me, we both need the Lord to work on our delivery. I am claiming you for Heaven. You may have to do a lot of ooching and ouching just like me, but I am claiming and receiving you will yell, "Jesus, Help!" before you leave this life.

You came to a Christian Website. There is a lot of prayer power here. No one should ever come to a Christian Website without becoming highly favored before the Lord. Like me, you may not get what you thought you wanted, but you will get what you need and you will realize it was what you were searching for all along.

I am in prayer for you and no demon can stop it.

See you in Heaven :-))

Mark
James January 19, 2011 at 5:34am

It all good. I to apolagize. Never intended to offend you or anyone else.I hope you can believe that.

You are not alone in tring to save my soul.My mother is hard at work, alone with other members of my family to save me.I was raised by strong Christians, studied the bible for years.

While I don't see becoming a Christian again in my furture stranger things have happened. Even if I did I would never be able to read the creation account or the flood as history.It just don't fit. Of course I would not be alone in thinking that way as many Christians don't regaurd the whole bible as history.

I believe I covered how/why I started visiting here in my last reply.

Mark Edward Kroger said:

Jame, It's me again. I apologize for being snappy and rude. I thought about it and what we both need is the Lord to break up our rocky ground so His seeds can take root. So I am devoting the rest of this fast to me and you and we will just see what the Lord will do for us.

You are like me, we both need the Lord to work on our delivery. I am claiming you for Heaven. You may have to do a lot of ooching and ouching just like me, but I am claiming and receiving you will yell, "Jesus, Help!" before you leave this life.

You came to a Christian Website. There is a lot of prayer power here. No one should ever come to a Christian Website without becoming highly favored before the Lord. Like me, you may not get what you thought you wanted, but you will get what you need and you will realize it was what you were searching for all along.

I am in prayer for you and no demon can stop it.

See you in Heaven :-))

Mark
James January 19, 2011 at 4:11am

I read your response just before my day was done. I must say it gave me something to think about. From a start where you call me names to an end where you sneak in one more threat. It’s all good. I’ve been called worse. I will not do so in return.
I don’t hang out here. I check in from time to time. I do the same on a few Atheist type sites. In fact it was because of a phone in debate between this site and an atheist blog I visit often that I found this site. In a way I feel I was invited.
Human nutritional requirements are interesting to be sure. What I really find neat is the fact that we can’t do it without a bunch of bacteria. I mean a huge amount. The fact that each of us has 10 times more bacteria cells in us then we do ones with our own DNA is wild. We need them to help digest our food to help us fight off infections. Without them one cannot be healthy. So Cool, your health is from an army of foreign microbes.
I agree with you on the pharmaceutical company’s goal. One must ask what party these pharmaceutical companies gave 100’s of millions of dollars to this last election cycle. All of them gave most heavily to the Republican Party. They know how to protect their bottom line and the republicans are where they put their money. Why Hmmm?
Yes, it is all about choice but your choices and my choices do affect others. What if the Health care Law is over turned? Tens of thousands will lose coverage. Insurance companies will be free to drop them again. Can’t help but think of a young mother pacing the floor with a sick crying baby in hers arms knowing she has no money to pay a doctor or the father with a few teenagers at home that has chest pains daily. Knows he should see a doctor but does not because of money. As is he can barely keep food on the table and the house warm in winter.
In my state half the people running for office wanted to take woman’s rights back to the dark ages. Outlawing abortions plus all forms of birth control is not a step forward. I consider myself to be a conservative but lost my political party to the religious right.
Again I agree with you. We make our lives what they are. Our future is open to the choices we make; our choices do affect others every day. Society is full of as many interdependencies as our bodies.
I guess time will tell if you see this as a rant or a cordial response Life will go on either way.

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